Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Carana]

I don't see the relevance to my post.
I would feel a lot more convinced with "supporters" (generic not specific) being sincere in their outrage at the Cipriano case had they been actively protesting and setting up fora and so on in 2004/2005. But for a "group" to openly admit they had never heard of it until after MM disappeared leaves one thinking why the sudden interest at that point?. They have certainly achieved Felicity Arkwright wrt Leonor Cipriano's "plight" despite the noise.

Missing children's cases were generally only covered by domestic media up until relatively recently.

Most of the Portuguese appeared to be convinced that they were guilty back then, thanks to the negative pre-trial coverage, and how would people who don't understand Portuguese have even heard of the case?

The only reason I heard about the case was because pro-Amaral bloggers were translating the negative coverage for those following the McCann case.

[Alice Purjorick]

and all the noise coming from the sceptics has done nothing to advance a case against the mccanns...I don't see any point in your post...this is a discussion forum.....

Red bit: That is irrelevant to the point under debate.
Blue bit: I had noticed it is a discussion forum and I do not believe you are that dim that you do not see the point of my post.
But then to quote Aneurin Bevan about Anthony Eden............................ "he may well be".

[Alice Purjorick]

Missing children's cases were generally only covered by domestic media up until relatively recently.

Most of the Portuguese appeared to be convinced that they were guilty back then, thanks to the negative pre-trial coverage, and how would people who don't understand Portuguese have even heard of the case?

The only reason I heard about the case was because pro-Amaral bloggers were translating the negative coverage for those following the McCann case.

So one of the worlds worst cases of defendant torture, fitting up and miscarriages of justice went quite unremarked in the international press until two to three years later when Madeleine McCann disappeared.
Pull the other bell its got legs on it.

[stephen25000]

So one of the worlds worst cases of defendant torture, fitting up and miscarriages of justice went quite unremarked in the international press until two to three years later when Madeleine McCann disappeared.
Pull the other bell its got legs on it.

Nicely put.

[Carana]

So one of the worlds worst cases of defendant torture, fitting up and miscarriages of justice went quite unremarked in the international press until two to three years later when Madeleine McCann disappeared.
Pull the other bell its got legs on it.

Did you notice any international coverage of the Cipriano case back in 2004 /5? I certainly hadn't, but then I wasn't often anywhere that had broadband and relied mainly on local TV and newspapers for news.

[Brietta]

Did you notice any international coverage of the Cipriano case back in 2004 /5? I certainly hadn't, but then I wasn't often anywhere that had broadband and relied mainly on local TV and newspapers for news.

I learned of the Cipriano case at the end of 2013.

I was introduced to it by a sceptic on a Yahoo comment thread.

Therefore first hand confirmation that the negative aspects of the case were being promoted by pro-Amarals, as you said earlier.  They obviously do not realise that the case does not bear close scrutiny.

[Mr Gray]

So one of the worlds worst cases of defendant torture, fitting up and miscarriages of justice went quite unremarked in the international press until two to three years later when Madeleine McCann disappeared.
Pull the other bell its got legs on it.

You have answered your own question now...who said it was one of the worlds worst cases......no one on here apart from you....

this is the sort of case amnesty gets involved in......

A pardon granted by El Salvador’s Parliamentary Assembly to a young woman imprisoned after suffering a miscarriage is a triumph of justice and gives hope to the other 15 women languishing in jail on similar charges, said Amnesty International.

In 2007 “Guadalupe” received a 30 year jail sentence after authorities wrongly suspected she had terminated her pregnancy. She was only 18 years old.

[slartibartfast]

You have answered your own question now...who said it was one of the worlds worst cases......no one on here apart from you....

this is the sort of case amnesty gets involved in......

A pardon granted by El Salvador’s Parliamentary Assembly to a young woman imprisoned after suffering a miscarriage is a triumph of justice and gives hope to the other 15 women languishing in jail on similar charges, said Amnesty International.

In 2007 “Guadalupe” received a 30 year jail sentence after authorities wrongly suspected she had terminated her pregnancy. She was only 18 years old.

El Salvador has one of the most draconian abortion laws in the world, criminalizing abortion on all grounds, even when a woman or girls’ life or health is in danger and in cases of rape. Women and girls suspected of having illegal abortions are also often cruelly and deliberately charged with homicide, as in Guadalupe’s case.

Yes, much more political rather than criminal.

[Mr Gray]

What I find quite telling is that sceptics will not even admit there is a possibility that there has been a miscarriage of justice

[stephen25000]

I learned of the Cipriano case at the end of 2013.

I was introduced to it by a sceptic on a Yahoo comment thread.

Therefore first hand confirmation that the negative aspects of the case were being promoted by pro-Amarals, as you said earlier.  They obviously do not realise that the case does not bear close scrutiny.

The only visible promotion of this case I have observed has been from mccann backers, desperate to connect the Cipriano and Mccann cases.

Even though they know that Cipriano repeatedly lied and her accounts of events have led to her being convicted of perjury, resulting in an extension of her sentence, they cling on to her desperately.

There is no similarity between the cases, unless they wish to taint the mccanns with the same characteristics as Cipriano.

[Mr Gray]

The only visible promotion of this case I have observed has been from mccann backers, desperate to connect the Cipriano and Mccann cases.

Even though they know that Cipriano repeatedly lied and her accounts of events have led to her being convicted of perjury, resulting in an extension of her sentence, they cling on to her desperately.

There is no similarity between the cases, unless they wish to taint the mccanns with the same characteristics as Cipriano.

the cipriano case is totally relevant to the mccanns case...one  link being the convicted criminal...amaral

[Mr Gray]

The only visible promotion of this case I have observed has been from mccann backers, desperate to connect the Cipriano and Mccann cases.

Even though they know that Cipriano repeatedly lied and her accounts of events have led to her being convicted of perjury, resulting in an extension of her sentence, they cling on to her desperately.

There is no similarity between the cases, unless they wish to taint the mccanns with the same characteristics as Cipriano.

rather a silly statement...there is no similarity between the two..

[Benice]

The only visible promotion of this case I have observed has been from mccann backers, desperate to connect the Cipriano and Mccann cases.

Even though they know that Cipriano repeatedly lied and her accounts of events have led to her being convicted of perjury, resulting in an extension of her sentence, they cling on to her desperately.

There is no similarity between the cases, unless they wish to taint the mccanns with the same characteristics as Cipriano.

So you don't think the fact that Amaral was made an Arguido on 4th May in relation to his previous missing child case should have aroused any interest at all in that situation by people following the McCann case?  Seriously?

And yet you have often brought up the Barry George case in relation to Andy Redwood.   Can you explain the difference please which IYO makes that OK for you to do?

[stephen25000]

So you don't think the fact that Amaral was made an Arguido on 4th May in relation to his previous missing child case should have aroused any interest at all in that situation by people following the McCann case?  Seriously?

And yet you have often brought up the Barry George case in relation to Andy Redwood.   Can you explain the difference please which IYO makes that OK for you to do?

Do you agree that Cipriano lied in court and committed perjury ?

Do you agree as the courts found, that she kept changing her version of events ?

Are you saying Amaral committed criminal acts during his time as coordinator of the mccann case ?

Do you agree he was just one man with the view as to parental involvement, but he was not alone in that ?

[Benice]

Do you agree that Cipriano lied in court and committed perjury ?

Do you agree as the courts found, that she kept changing her version of events ?

Are you saying Amaral committed criminal acts during his time as coordinator of the mccann case ?

Do you agree he was just one man with the view as to parental involvement, but he was not alone in that ?

What has any of that got to do with my question to you re Andy Redwood?   Please explain why you see nothing wrong in bringing up the Barry George case in relation to Andy Redwood - but object to posters bringing up the Cipriano case in relation to Amaral.