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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #855 on: January 16, 2016, 11:12:49 AM »
 

and Cipriano is a convicted perjurer.

ENOUGH SAID.

i find it  hard to understand why  mcann  supporters   believe a  convicted murderer   and   also believe a   abductor took maddie its like they wnated   her to be abducted by the way they say in every breath she  was abducted  and  excuse the mcanns  terrible parenting   just imo

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #856 on: January 16, 2016, 11:15:09 AM »
 

and Cipriano is a convicted perjurer.

ENOUGH SAID.

looks like the perjury was a miscarriage of justice too

Offline Brietta

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #857 on: January 16, 2016, 11:19:23 AM »
Picking up on one point:
"Amaral being made arguido... Was years after the event, you have to ask why"


The PT legal system may sometimes appear to work in mysterious ways, but surely not to the point of making the coordinator of an investigation an arguido over one case overnight due to the fact that a different child had gone missing a few hours earlier... yet kept him on the case.

It might keep the [ censored word ]s happy, but I doubt that it was more than a coincidence.

As an example: A police disciplinary investigation was conducted into Cristovão in 2005 over the Cipriano case, which resulted in 120 days suspension... which he appealed and the yoyo went on, but it wasn't until 2012 that an official notice was published rejecting his appeal.

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/paulo-pereira-cristovao/ministra-nega-recurso-a-pereira-cristovao-de-pena-aplicada-pela-pj


The Portuguese system was simply slow. The numerous changes that have taken place are attempts to speed it up.

The investigation into the allegation of covering up the torture of Leonor Cipriano may not have come to fruition for "many years after the event" but as you have succinctly explained that was because of the slowness of the justice system and nothing else.

Any notion that there may have been a connection between Mr Amaral's arguido status declared on the 4th May and his subsequent trial finding him guilty of perjury has any connection to Madeleine McCann's case is risible.

Being made an arguido in any case involving accusation of torture of a prisoner should perhaps have occasioned his removal from active duty until the case was resolved.

The fact the case being brought against him was of covering for officers under his command who stood accused of the torture of a missing child's mother should have been enough to have had him replaced as co-ordinator of Madeleine's case.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #858 on: January 16, 2016, 11:21:27 AM »
i find it  hard to understand why  mcann  supporters   believe a  convicted murderer   and   also believe a   abductor took maddie its like they wnated   her to be abducted by the way they say in every breath she  was abducted  and  excuse the mcanns  terrible parenting   just imo

They have a good reason Carlymichelle.

If there was no abductor, what is left ?

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #859 on: January 16, 2016, 11:22:12 AM »
They have a good reason Carlymichelle.

If there was no abductor, what is left ?

we know the answer to that......

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #860 on: January 16, 2016, 11:23:48 AM »
They have a good reason Carlymichelle.

If there was no abductor, what is left ?

Both of these posts are Off Topic, and spurious.  Stop now, please.

Offline Carana

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #861 on: January 16, 2016, 11:29:04 AM »
The investigation into the allegation of covering up the torture of Leonor Cipriano may not have come to fruition for "many years after the event" but as you have succinctly explained that was because of the slowness of the justice system and nothing else.

Any notion that there may have been a connection between Mr Amaral's arguido status declared on the 4th May and his subsequent trial finding him guilty of perjury has any connection to Madeleine McCann's case is risible.

Being made an arguido in any case involving accusation of torture of a prisoner should perhaps have occasioned his removal from active duty until the case was resolved.

The fact the case being brought against him was of covering for officers under his command who stood accused of the torture of a missing child's mother should have been enough to have had him replaced as co-ordinator of Madeleine's case.

An interesting interview with the PJ officers' lawyer:

Interview

António Colaço, lawyer of four of the five arguidos: "This is a political process"

Correio da Manhã –  Do you consider that the process should have been allowed to reach the court?

António Colaço –  Obviously not. However since it did I expected it to have some juridical logic, which makes even more difficult the work of the Defense. I consider it to be a political process.

– Do you foresee any consequences in the work of the PJ ?

–  It's already happening. The PJ professional work without schedules [long hours] and without weekends. They are holding back in their work, for fear of the consequences of their action. It was installed a climate of fear.

– Those this case put any doubts the sentence given to Leonor Cipriano?

– If this blasphemy against the PJ inspectors is proved, Leonor Cipriano will have to be released. Actually, if the system was coherent, Leonor should have been released when there was a dispatch of  pronouncement [judgement]  revealing indicia of aggressions.


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/10/cipriano-case-leonor-cipriano-confessed.html

With thanks to Joana Morais for translation.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #862 on: January 16, 2016, 11:29:40 AM »
we know the answer to that......

Please stop now.  Your post is again Off Topic and spurious.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #863 on: January 16, 2016, 11:32:07 AM »
An interesting interview with the PJ officers' lawyer:

Interview

António Colaço, lawyer of four of the five arguidos: "This is a political process"

Correio da Manhã –  Do you consider that the process should have been allowed to reach the court?

António Colaço –  Obviously not. However since it did I expected it to have some juridical logic, which makes even more difficult the work of the Defense. I consider it to be a political process.

– Do you foresee any consequences in the work of the PJ ?

–  It's already happening. The PJ professional work without schedules [long hours] and without weekends. They are holding back in their work, for fear of the consequences of their action. It was installed a climate of fear.

– Those this case put any doubts the sentence given to Leonor Cipriano?

– If this blasphemy against the PJ inspectors is proved, Leonor Cipriano will have to be released. Actually, if the system was coherent, Leonor should have been released when there was a dispatch of  pronouncement [judgement]  revealing indicia of aggressions.


http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2008/10/cipriano-case-leonor-cipriano-confessed.html

With thanks to Joana Morais for translation.

Absolutely spot on.  And from the horse's mouth.

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #864 on: January 16, 2016, 11:35:57 AM »
Absolutely spot on.  And from the horse's mouth.

On man's view.

t doesn't take into account that Cipriano repeatedly lied, and changed her account of events on numerous times.
 

Offline Carana

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #865 on: January 16, 2016, 11:47:23 AM »
Absolutely spot on.  And from the horse's mouth.

What on earth possessed Aragão to introduce new "confessions" into this saga is beyond me...

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #866 on: January 16, 2016, 11:55:15 AM »
On man's view.

t doesn't take into account that Cipriano repeatedly lied, and changed her account of events on numerous times.

This was the Lawyer for the defence of the PJ Officers accused of beating Leonor Cipriano.

Offline faithlilly

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #867 on: January 16, 2016, 11:57:12 AM »
Absolutely spot on.  And from the horse's mouth.

The rest of the interview is also pertinent.......or are we simply cherry picking the convenient bits ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #868 on: January 16, 2016, 11:58:22 AM »
What on earth possessed Aragão to introduce new "confessions" into this saga is beyond me...

Me too.  But then I have become increasingly suspect of this man's motives.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #869 on: January 16, 2016, 12:00:35 PM »
Whilst trawling through the "Cipriano Board" I found this rather interesting post from Mr Moderator in November 2013. The original is in large font and red!

"Warning to members in respect of continued false claims that there is no evidence against the Ciprianos.  Anyone knowingly posting FALSE material will have their posting permissions suspended".
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey