Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Mr Gray]

The clear understanding is that Ms. Cipriano kept changing her story of what happened as did her dear brother.

didn't Barry George have several changes of story

[Brietta]

i will never understand how these  people support a  convicted  child murderer   and a  couple who adandoned their  kids   yet  think we  are the enemy because we question the  mcanns  sometimes i think they are all wind  up  trolls  no one could be that  nieve and dumb could they? its like they are not allowed to  think for themselves? yet they crusify GA  for doing his  job?

"these people" who "question the mccanns" have been doing so into their ninth year ... how "nieve and dumb" they must be to have disregarded the answers and still be asking exactly the same questions after all that time.

The thing is if GA had actually done his job with a measure of competence ... we probably wouldn't be here discussing the similarities of one missing child's case with another's.

[Alice Purjorick]

Just for interest.
Lauryn Dickens is a bad case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_murder_convictions_without_a_body

[stephen25000]

"these people" who "question the mccanns" have been doing so into their ninth year ... how "nieve and dumb" they must be to have disregarded the answers and still be asking exactly the same questions after all that time.

The thing is if GA had actually done his job with a measure of competence ... we probably wouldn't be here discussing the similarities of one missing child's case with another's.

Here we go again, attacking Amaral...

Well by the same token Brietta, if the McCann's had taken care of their children.......

[Mr Gray]

our recent discussions on the right to appeal raise some interesting points for those who can follow this.
At the original trial both were advised not to give evidence...on the grounds i believe... taht the evidence against them was so weak that they could not be convicted. The prosecution threw them completely by introducing the reconstruction and they are found guilty.......now the appeal...neither of them can complain that the confessions were beaten out of them because it is not new evidence and was not claimed at the original trial...they therefore have absolutely no grounds for appeal

[Brietta]

Here we go again, attacking Amaral...

Well by the same token Brietta, if the McCann's had taken care of their children.......

Funny you should say that ... so unusual for you.

[Admin]

Ahh, so you mean the video of the so-called "reconstruction", then?


The defence did object (Marcos Aragão wasn't even on the scene at that point, AFAIK, so I'm not sure where that idea came from), on the grounds that it constituted a "confession" and shouldn't have been admissible as the defendants didn't take the stand. The court ruled that it was a different form of evidence and was therefore admissible.

What no one seems to have questioned is the circumstances leading up to this "reconstruction". João has stated that he was threatened with being stabbed and was frequently beaten. That may or may not be true. He may, after all, have been offered coffee and cupcakes by the same PJ.

Without CCTV evidence of "interviews", it's one person's word against the venerable PJ.

On the other side, there was no evidence that he'd had to be taken to hospital due to an excess of  "coffee and cupcakes", but then neither can I find any evidence that the defence ever tried to found out.

I am referring to the video confession which Mr Correia attempted to suppress.  Correia took over from Leonor's first lawyer John Grade just as the trial began.

[Brietta]

our recent discussions on the right to appeal raise some interesting points for those who can follow this.
At the original trial both were advised not to give evidence...on the grounds i believe... taht the evidence against them was so weak that they could not be convicted. The prosecution threw them completely by introducing the reconstruction and they are found guilty.......now the appeal...neither of them can complain that the confessions were beaten out of them because it is not new evidence and was not claimed at the original trial...they therefore have absolutely no grounds for appeal

Clearly explained ... and you really do have to admire the duplicity of it.

Is it a ploy to defeat the rigidity of the court system?

If I recollect correctly didn't Goncalo Amaral's lawyer do exactly the same thing in the libel trial when he introduced something into the closing argument?
I forget exactly what.

[Admin]

"these people" who "question the mccanns" have been doing so into their ninth year ... how "nieve and dumb" they must be to have disregarded the answers and still be asking exactly the same questions after all that time.

The thing is if GA had actually done his job with a measure of competence ... we probably wouldn't be here discussing the similarities of one missing child's case with another's.

But he did, they were both convicted of murder and given 16 year sentences.

I intend to move the bulk of the posts on this thread to the Cipriano board, if any member has an objection please pm me.

[slartibartfast]

But he did, they were both convicted of murder and given 16 year sentences.

I intend to move the bulk of the posts on this thread to the Cipriano board, if any member has an objection please pm me.

Sounds like a plan.

[Alice Purjorick]

"these people" who "question the mccanns" have been doing so into their ninth year ... how "nieve and dumb" they must be to have disregarded the answers and still be asking exactly the same questions after all that time.

The thing is if GA had actually done his job with a measure of competence ... we probably wouldn't be here discussing the similarities of one missing child's case with another's.

One does not need much space or many words to cover the similarities.
Female child disappears without trace.
Same land mass but approximately 10km apart in distance and three years in time.
Same investigating officer.
Both mothers claimed abduction.
No incontrovertible evidence of abduction in either case.

[Alfred R Jones]

One does not need much space or many words to cover the similarities.
Female child disappears without trace.
Same land mass but approximately 10km apart in distance and three years in time.
Same investigating officer.
Both mothers claimed abduction.
No incontrovertible evidence of abduction in either case.

What would you calculate the odds at of two completely unconnected missing girls cases, in which both girls vanish without trace,  in such a small and under-populated area, so close to each other in space and time? 

[faithlilly]

What would you calculate the odds at of two completely unconnected missing girls cases, in which both girls vanish without trace,  in such a small and under-populated area, so close to each other in space and time?

Probably a lot longer than the odds that the parents were involved in the disappearances.

[Alice Purjorick]

What would you calculate the odds at of two completely unconnected missing girls cases, in which both girls vanish without trace,  in such a small and under-populated area, so close to each other in space and time?

Dunno. But as a court has ruled one was murdered by her mother and uncle who were in gaol at the time the other disappeared ..... &%+((£
Why do you think they must be connected anyway ? Do you have no conception of random?

[Alfred R Jones]

Dunno. But as a court has ruled one was murdered by her mother and uncle who were in gaol at the time the other disappeared ..... &%+((£
Why do you think they must be connected anyway ? Do you have no conception of random?

Perhaps you can point to the post in which I said the two disappearance MUST be connected?  I have already said I have no hard and fast opinion either way about the Ciprianos guilt or otherwise. 

Whether or not the two disappearances are connected I am of the opinion that Joanna's disappearance had a big influence on the direction the McCann case took.  In my opinion, the very last thing Amaral would have wanted is another child abduction on his manor so soon after the last one had been (somewhat controversially) put to bed by him and his team.  Far better to pursue the parents again, than give serious consideration to the possibility that another young girl had been abducted so close to the location of the previous disappeared child.