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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1215 on: January 18, 2016, 08:25:59 PM »
Didn't John Cipriano write to his sister begging her forgiveness for implicating her in the murder?  And this was prior to her formal affidavit to the appeal court seeking to set the record straight.

I'm sorry but innocent and Cipriano should never be used in the same sentence.  As I stated yesterday, the only thing we don't know us who did what?

i dont know  much about this case but at the end of the  day i do know that most likley a  little girl  died  most likley at the hands of her  parent/s  and  because  GA    was  the police officer in  charge    for  both cases it is a conspricy for mcann supporters    yet they attack us for not   beliving the mcanns

Offline Carana

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1216 on: January 18, 2016, 08:29:29 PM »
i dont know  much about this case but at the end of the  day i do know that most likley a  little girl  died  most likley at the hands of her  parent/s  and  because  GA    was  the police officer in  charge    for  both cases it is a conspricy for mcann supporters    yet they attack us for not   beliving the mcanns

If you don't know much about this case, how are you coming to an informed opinion about it?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1217 on: January 18, 2016, 08:45:14 PM »
He was the coordinating detective and as such had access to substantially more information than is in the public domain.  Love him or loathe him, as a serving police officer Goncalo Amaral would not have been so stupid as to go on national TV and claim something without being absolutely sure of his facts as doing so could have undermined the prosecutions case.
You mean he blabbed on TV before the case was even settled in court?!

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1218 on: January 18, 2016, 10:30:29 PM »
i personally  think that any putting  down of police   should be banned on this  forum police   do the jobs  most people are too gutless to do and imo i  dont  think  the PJ  especally     should be  slandered on a public forum i have  always    thought  this  way   my  brother is  an police officer and he has seen the most terrible  things   

Many people do unenviable jobs, Carly.  Doctors for example.

If you think the police should be beyond criticism and above the law then you may be posting on the wrong forum. 

Offline John

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1219 on: January 19, 2016, 01:14:05 AM »
Clearly members are divided between guilty and not so guilty when it comes to the Ciprianos, I could be wrong but I dont think anyone has suggested Leonor or Joao are completely innocent.  That said, the discussion around the case has invoked much derision and caused a lot of conflict and disruption over the last few days. This cannot be allowed to continue.

A lot of emphasis has been placed on the evidence which may or may not exist in the case.  Some refer to it as circumstantial evidence while others refer to an absence of real evidence.  Reading over the various articles on the case I was reminded of the timeline in which the investigation developed.

The first police to respond were the GNR from Portimão. GNR police officer Fernando Ferreira later stated, "We  received notice via the radio and went to the Aldeia da Figueira … attending Joana's mother and her boyfriend, Leandro Silva. The objective was to try to obtain the maximum amount of information which could help identify the girl: name, age, height and what she was wearing at the time she disappeared. From there, having this information, we searched the village."

The Portimão GNR continued with searches over the following days around the Aldeia da Figueira. Posters about the disappearance were put up. But there were no traces of Joana.

Four days later, the case of the missing 8-year-old girl was transferred to the PJ in Portimão. Another four days later, it is transferred to the PJ Directory in Faro. The inspectors had no idea they now had in their hands one of the most complex cases ever confronted. 

In my opinion eight days were lost, days in which crucial evidence was tampered with or destroyed.  Ironically, there was no such delay in the McCann case, the PJ were alerted within hours of Madeleine's disappearance and the PJ arrived on site early the next morning. Could it be that the Portuguese learned much from the Cipriano case?



« Last Edit: January 19, 2016, 01:26:42 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

ferryman

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1220 on: January 19, 2016, 01:59:25 AM »
Clearly members are divided between guilty and not so guilty when it comes to the Ciprianos, I could be wrong but I dont think anyone has suggested Leonor or Joao are completely innocent.  That said, the discussion around the case has invoked much derision and caused a lot of conflict and disruption over the last few days. This cannot be allowed to continue.

A lot of emphasis has been placed on the evidence which may or may not exist in the case.  Some refer to it as circumstantial evidence while others refer to an absence of real evidence.  Reading over the various articles on the case I was reminded of the timeline in which the investigation developed.

The first police to respond were the GNR from Portimão. GNR police officer Fernando Ferreira later stated, "We  received notice via the radio and went to the Aldeia da Figueira … attending Joana's mother and her boyfriend, Leandro Silva. The objective was to try to obtain the maximum amount of information which could help identify the girl: name, age, height and what she was wearing at the time she disappeared. From there, having this information, we searched the village."

The Portimão GNR continued with searches over the following days around the Aldeia da Figueira. Posters about the disappearance were put up. But there were no traces of Joana.

Four days later, the case of the missing 8-year-old girl was transferred to the PJ in Portimão. Another four days later, it is transferred to the PJ Directory in Faro. The inspectors had no idea they now had in their hands one of the most complex cases ever confronted. 

In my opinion eight days were lost, days in which crucial evidence was tampered with or destroyed.  Ironically, there was no such delay in the McCann case, the PJ were alerted within hours of Madeleine's disappearance and the PJ arrived on site early the next morning. Could it be that the Portuguese learned much from the Cipriano case?

Duplication of flights-of-fancy about fridges as repositories of children's bodies.

Maybe other stuff, too ...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1221 on: January 19, 2016, 08:00:18 AM »
The thread asks the question...Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?


my answer is that based on the evidence there is a real possibility of a miscarriage of justice imo.....it is a simple as that

Offline Eleanor

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1222 on: January 19, 2016, 08:08:13 AM »
The thread asks the question...Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?


my answer is that based on the evidence there is a real possibility of a miscarriage of justice imo.....it is a simple as that

This is my opinion as well.

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1223 on: January 19, 2016, 08:24:43 AM »
It is evidently clear the Cipriano's blame each other for Joana's death.

So, not only are they in denial, others are too.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1224 on: January 19, 2016, 08:25:38 AM »
It is evidently clear the Cipriano's blame each other for Joana's death.

So, not only are they in denial, others are too.

I am certainly not in denial...try and understand that other people have opinions and those opinions may be correct
« Last Edit: January 19, 2016, 08:35:41 AM by davel »

Offline Benice

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1225 on: January 19, 2016, 09:00:06 AM »
Now just for a change let's have a look at any evidence which supports her innocence.

Any takers?

The motive of 'incest' was not accepted by the court.   And AFAIK no other motive was established.     

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Benice

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1226 on: January 19, 2016, 09:09:51 AM »
The blood that was cleaned on the wall and floor. Have you figured out who's it is yet? A murderer would get rid of the weapon and body. Do you think they purposely leave evidence for police to find? I personally think murderers try to cover up their crime by cleaning and getting rid of evidence. Can't think why I could think that - ok I'm lying  @)(++(*

I agree - so why didn't they get rid of the red shoes?



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1227 on: January 19, 2016, 09:11:16 AM »
Both in this case and the mccann case...amaral thought that a child could bang their head in a relatively minor fall and die......children bang their heads everyday...it takes a lot to fracture a skull

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1228 on: January 19, 2016, 09:12:55 AM »
I agree - so why didn't they get rid of the red shoes?

You are kidding, aren't you.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1229 on: January 19, 2016, 09:54:21 AM »
The motive of 'incest' was not accepted by the court.   And AFAIK no other motive was established.   
Does that mean no motive was established?