Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[stephen25000]

Its OK Stephen the court found them wanting..

Facts considered proven.

c) the arguido AA expresses contempt for human life – a result of a poor social adjustment and affective coldness – and has anti-social/psychopathic tendencies with a difficulty to control his impulses, which leads him to be aggressive, trying to solve conflicts through said aggressiveness, feeling no remorse for the consequences of the actions that he thus performs, despising other people's rights, wishes or feelings;

d) through a ruling that has been validated in court, and given on 10.11.1993, arguido AA was condemned to a 4-year prison sentence over the practice, on 2.10.1992, of a crime of attempted homicide, (...). Said ruling includes that the arguido was convinced, by a third party that lived with one of the arguido's sisters (GG) to take the life of another person who had left him blind, in exchange for 20.000$00 and a motorbike (...);

e) the arguida BB [Leonor Cipriano] manifests socially deviant behaviour at the level of norms, values and responsibilities, emotional instability and difficulties in expressing frustration, while her socialisation was marked by immature, superficial and narcissistic interpersonal relationships, where characteristics of manipulation (to satisfy her own needs) and aggressiveness (of mainly sadistic tonality) are stand out, while in her personality the absence of empathy and the insensibility are salient, leading to the arguida's despise for other people's rights, needs and sentiments, directing her aggressiveness towards them, with a weak capacity to feel remorse. She possesses a borderline personality with anti-social/psychopathic, narcissistic and schizoid traits;

AA = John Cipriano
BB = Leonor Cipriano

Thank you Angelo for this information.

[Benice]

You wouldn't want me to libel them as regards their respective levels of intelligence,  would you ?

No need to libel anyone.  Can you explain why LC would make posters describing her daughter as wearing red shoes when she disappeared - when both she and her brother knew that they had not disposed of the shoes and that those very shoes were still in the house for the police to find?    Especially as apparently so much care had been taken in cleaning the place up, after 'butchering' the body  -  that no credible evidence of  this 'bloody  massacre' was established.

On the subject of levels of intelligence.   What self respecting policeman would claim that a person wearing a black blouse was evidence that  that person was a potential murderer - even though the person wearing the black top was also wearing a red skirt?   

[stephen25000]

No need to libel anyone.  Can you explain why LC would make posters describing her daughter as wearing red shoes when she disappeared - when both she and her brother knew that they had not disposed of the shoes and that those very shoes were still in the house for the police to find?    Especially as apparently so much care had been taken in cleaning the place up, after 'butchering' the body  -  that no credible evidence of  this 'bloody  massacre' was established.

On the subject of levels of intelligence.   What self respecting policeman would claim that a person wearing a black blouse was evidence that  that person was a potential murderer - even though the person wearing the black top was also wearing a red skirt?

Well as contact details were provided by John a couple of weeks ago, why don't you take that to the source.

[Benice]

Its OK Stephen the court found them wanting..

Facts considered proven.

c) the arguido AA expresses contempt for human life – a result of a poor social adjustment and affective coldness – and has anti-social/psychopathic tendencies with a difficulty to control his impulses, which leads him to be aggressive, trying to solve conflicts through said aggressiveness, feeling no remorse for the consequences of the actions that he thus performs, despising other people's rights, wishes or feelings;

d) through a ruling that has been validated in court, and given on 10.11.1993, arguido AA was condemned to a 4-year prison sentence over the practice, on 2.10.1992, of a crime of attempted homicide, (...). Said ruling includes that the arguido was convinced, by a third party that lived with one of the arguido's sisters (GG) to take the life of another person who had left him blind, in exchange for 20.000$00 and a motorbike (...);

e) the arguida BB [Leonor Cipriano] manifests socially deviant behaviour at the level of norms, values and responsibilities, emotional instability and difficulties in expressing frustration, while her socialisation was marked by immature, superficial and narcissistic interpersonal relationships, where characteristics of manipulation (to satisfy her own needs) and aggressiveness (of mainly sadistic tonality) are stand out, while in her personality the absence of empathy and the insensibility are salient, leading to the arguida's despise for other people's rights, needs and sentiments, directing her aggressiveness towards them, with a weak capacity to feel remorse. She possesses a borderline personality with anti-social/psychopathic, narcissistic and schizoid traits;

AA = John Cipriano
BB = Leonor Cipriano

Isn't it a fact that psychopaths are also extremely intelligent?    Do we know who made this psychological analysis  of her and who commissioned the assessment?


 

[stephen25000]

Isn't it a fact that psychopaths are also extremely intelligent?    Do we know who made this psychological analysis  of her and who commissioned the assessment?

Can you cite evidence for psychopaths being highly intelligent  ?

[Mr Gray]

So if Jaoa admitted this, why was it Unproven?

That is precisely the point I was making
So Jaoa could not have admitted it
That proves that claim wrong
How much else is wrong

[Benice]

Well as contact details were provided by John a couple of weeks ago, why don't you take that to the source.

May I suggest that you refrain from making provocative comments like... 'You are kidding aren't you? ...when you have no intention of explaining your stance or providing evidence to justify your comment.

[ferryman]

The motive of 'incest' was not accepted by the court.   And AFAIK no other motive was established.   

Wasn't Joana supposed never to have arrived home?

[stephen25000]

May I suggest that you refrain from making provocative comments like... 'You are kidding aren't you? ...when you have no intention of explaining your stance or providing evidence to justify your comment.

It wasn't provocative.

I would suggest that you are goading.

[Eleanor]

Let's not start with the insults, please.

[pathfinder73]

Both in this case and the mccann case...amaral thought that a child could bang their head in a relatively minor fall and die......children bang their heads everyday...it takes a lot to fracture a skull

Homicide is the leading cause of death in children under 4. 

[Benice]

Wasn't Joana supposed never to have arrived home?

Yes - according to her family.

 According to the PJ she arrived home and caught her mother and uncle having incestuous sex - and theatened to 'tell' and that was their motive for killing her.   The court did not accept that as a credible motive.

[pathfinder73]

Yes - according to her family.

 According to the PJ she arrived home and caught her mother and uncle having incestuous sex - and theatened to 'tell' and that was their motive for killing her.   The court did not accept that as a credible motive.

Do you think she got her head bashed against the wall for no reason?

[ferryman]

Yes - according to her family.

 According to the PJ she arrived home and caught her mother and uncle having incestuous sex - and theatened to 'tell' and that was their motive for killing her.   The court did not accept that as a credible motive.

I've seen a copy of the court ruling and it was not accepted as 'proved' that Joana had seen them having sex.

How could it be?

Joana has never been around to ask.

[ferryman]

Do you think she got her head bashed against the wall for no reason?

What are the pointers that such a thing happened?