Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[Eleanor]

...and applies in the UK too.

I am well aware of that.  But to me it's a bit like Torture.  The results of which are not to be trusted.  It can only apply to people who have pleaded Not Guilty, so it's a form of Blackmail.  Or Coercion if you like.

[slartibartfast]

I am well aware of that.  But to me it's a bit like Torture.  The results of which are not to be trusted.  It can only apply to people who have pleaded Not Guilty, so it's a form of Blackmail.

I agree.

[Eleanor]

I agree.

Thank you.  I am really pleased that we agree on this.

[sadie]

What I find incomprehensible it that most mccann supporters believe Cipriano has told the truth, when it it quite evident the woman is a liar, as his her brother.

Try reading what Angelo posted this morning, as regards 'proved in court'.

What strikes me Stephen is that Amaral calls her a liar.  Leonor, a brutally tortured and simple country woman. not meaniong dull rather uneducated and somewhat uncultured.  Amaral led a team that tortured her, then denied all knowledge.

Amaral, an educated man in a position of trust and power, is a proven liar with a criminal conviction but you prefer to believe him when he calls Leonor a liar?
Strange thinking there Stephen.

Maybe after brutal torture, losing her much loved daughter, awful lies against her and her brother fingering her, she did involved him?   Amaral says so, doesn't he?  £5%4%



Oh but Amaral is a proven liar?  What are we to believe?   %&5%£

[Angelo222]

What strikes me Stephen is that Amaral calls her a liar.  Leonor, a brutally tortured and simple country woman. not meaniong dull rather uneducated and somewhat uncultured.  Amaral led a team that tortured her, then denied all knowledge.

Amaral, an educated man in a position of trust and power, is a proven liar with a criminal conviction but you prefer to believe him when he calls Leonor a liar?
Strange thinking there Stephen.

Maybe after brutal torture, losing her much loved daughter, awful lies against her and her brother fingering her, she did involved him?   Amaral says so, doesn't he?  £5%4%



Oh but Amaral is a proven liar?  What are we to believe?   %&5%£

Same old, same old Sadie.  The big difference between Gonc and Leonor is that Gonc told a few lies to protect his comrades while Leonor is either a lying murderer or a liar who covered for a murderer.  I know which one I would want on my side in a sticky situation.

Have you never told a lie Sadie when the situation required it?   

[sadie]

Same old, same old Sadie.  The big difference between Gonc and Leonor is that Gonc told a few lies to protect his comrades while Leonor is either a lying murderer or a liar who covered for a murderer.  I know which one I would want on my side in a sticky situation.

Have you never told a lie Sadie when the situation required it?

Only Father Christmas.

I have made mistakes but I dont tell lies.



Dont kid yourself.   Amaral was protecting his own back.  He was the leader and the head honcho takes the blame

Gonc was supposed to be Justice, but he wasn't. 

[Angelo222]

Only Father Christmas.

I have made mistakes but I dont tell lies.



Dont kid yourself.   Amaral was protecting his own back.  He was the leader and the head honcho takes the blame

Gonc was supposed to be Justice, but he wasn't.

Oh come come Sadie.  Everyone has told a lie sometime in their past and probably later regretted it, I can't see you being any different.

Gonc rose to a senior position within the Portuguese Police on his merits and that sometimes requires that a police officer go just that little bit further. I don't believe he had any option with the Cipriano duo, they brought it all down upon their own heads.  They got their just desserts imo!!

Did you know Leonor's family have attempted to change her children's name from Cipriano such is the distress and embarrassment she and John Cipriano have caused them?

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Joana’s mother’s revolt appears following a letter that was sent to her by Lurdes David, in which she asked her for permission to remove the name “Cipriano” from the children’s identification, leaving only “Domingos”, Leonor’s surname. According to Sara David, the children’s aunt, this would be due to “whenever my niece and nephew go somewhere and are called Cipriano, everyone stares at them, remembering Joana’s mother and the story of her daughter’s disappearance. That was what happened when the children went to the Registry to get their ID cards”.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/05/family-refuses-to-accept-leonor.html?m=1

[misty]

Oh come come Sadie.  Everyone has told a lie sometime in their past and probably later regretted it, I can't see you being any different.

Gonc rose to a senior position within the Portuguese Police on his merits and that sometimes requires that a police officer go just that little bit further. I don't believe he had any option with the Cipriano duo, they brought it all down upon their own heads.  They got their just desserts imo!!

Is there any evidence Leonor or Joao were educated enough to know exactly what was written in the "confessions" they signed?
Amaral's lies, on the other hand, were all penned by his own highly-educated hand so he cannot have any complaints about the way the justice system has treated him.

[Angelo222]

Is there any evidence Leonor or Joao were educated enough to know exactly what was written in the "confessions" they signed?
Amaral's lies, on the other hand, were all penned by his own highly-educated hand so he cannot have any complaints about the way the justice system has treated him.

They were both legally represented, Leonor originally by John Grade.  And it was Marcos Correia who had the affidavit putting the blame firmly with her brother John executed in 2009 when he took over.

I don't make any excuses for Amaral, he made his bed and now lies in it.

[Angelo222]

We who support the McCanns readily acknowledge that the Portuguese prosecutors were bang-on right to say the McCanns were innocent.  We also acknowledge some genuinely fine work put in by Portuguese officers (both PJ and GNR).

It's only those who fail to see a problem with tying a poorly educated woman to a chair, putting a bag over her head, beating her to a point of near blindess, then extending her sentence because her recollection of those, terrifying sequence of events is deemed not to be exactly spot-on accurate ....

You know the rules ferryman, the Attorney General never stated the McCanns were innocent but full marks for attempting to slip it in. No reminder needed that what he did state was that they lost the opportunity to demonstrate their innocence, not quite the same thing eh??

[Mr Gray]

You know the rules ferryman, the Attorney General never stated the McCanns were innocent but full marks for attempting to slip it in. No reminder needed that what he did state was that they lost the opportunity to demonstrate their innocence, not quite the same thing eh??

the attorney general stated that there was no evidence of a crime committed by the mccanns and that the evidence used to make them arguidos was later found to be of no consequence

[Mr Gray]

there could be another 100 pages on this thread but posters have made up their minds on the evidence presented and unless new evidence comes to light I can't see anyone changing their mind... I think there is every chance of a serious miscarriage of justice

[Mr Gray]

Oh come come Sadie.  Everyone has told a lie sometime in their past and probably later regretted it, I can't see you being any different.

Gonc rose to a senior position within the Portuguese Police on his merits and that sometimes requires that a police officer go just that little bit further. I don't believe he had any option with the Cipriano duo, they brought it all down upon their own heads.  They got their just desserts imo!!

Did you know Leonor's family have attempted to change her children's name from Cipriano such is the distress and embarrassment she and John Cipriano have caused them?

snip
Joana’s mother’s revolt appears following a letter that was sent to her by Lurdes David, in which she asked her for permission to remove the name “Cipriano” from the children’s identification, leaving only “Domingos”, Leonor’s surname. According to Sara David, the children’s aunt, this would be due to “whenever my niece and nephew go somewhere and are called Cipriano, everyone stares at them, remembering Joana’s mother and the story of her daughter’s disappearance. That was what happened when the children went to the Registry to get their ID cards”.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/05/family-refuses-to-accept-leonor.html?m=1

*it is Leandros family...not leonora's family....

We are not her family. We are simply Leandro’s family. We won’t take her back for one single day

[stephen25000]

What strikes me Stephen is that Amaral calls her a liar.  Leonor, a brutally tortured and simple country woman. not meaniong dull rather uneducated and somewhat uncultured.  Amaral led a team that tortured her, then denied all knowledge.

Amaral, an educated man in a position of trust and power, is a proven liar.  A criminal, but you prefer to believe him when he calls Leonor a liar?
Strange thinking there Stephen.

Maybe after brutal torture, losing her much loved daughter, awful lies against her and her brother fingering her, she did involved him?   Amaral says so, doesn't he?  £5%4%



Oh but Amaral is a proven liar?  What are we to believe?   %&5%£

Have you been reading this thread Sadie ?

A much loved daughter ???

Where did you get that from ?

and get this Sadie, Leonar and her brother are liars and murderers.

You were happy with Amaral's conviction, so you should be equally satisfied with the Cipriano's as well.

[Mr Gray]

Have you been reading this thread Sadie ?

A much loved daughter ???

Where did you get that from ?

and get this Sadie, Leonar and her brother are liars and murderers.

You were happy with Amaral's conviction, so you should be equally satisfied with the Cipriano's as well.

i don't think they are murderers