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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1425 on: January 20, 2016, 11:44:33 AM »
Cipriano deserved all she got.  Even if she didn't act alone she was in it up to her neck with her homicidal maniac brother whom as some conveniently forget had been convicted of attempted murder previously.
So let's be clear - murder suspects deserve to be tortured, even before they have been found guilty of any crime, is that your view?

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1426 on: January 20, 2016, 11:52:03 AM »
So let's be clear - murder suspects deserve to be tortured, even before they have been found guilty of any crime, is that your view?

i think anyone who admits  they killed  a   child deserve  what they get

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1427 on: January 20, 2016, 11:56:52 AM »
i think anyone who admits  they killed  a   child deserve  what they get
If she'd been killed in custody before ever being tried on the strength of her so-called conviction would that have been OK by you too?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1428 on: January 20, 2016, 11:57:57 AM »
One has to wonder whether some posters here are actually in favour of miscarriages of justice, rather than opposed to them.

Offline Jean-Pierre

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1429 on: January 20, 2016, 12:08:42 PM »
i think anyone who admits  they killed  a   child deserve  what they get

Let's consider a theoretical situation.

 A child disappears.  Her mother is a simple, uneducated woman, and as is common practice, she is considered as a suspect by the police.  She is arrested, and then in the middle of night she is taken from prison to a police station.  She is tied to a chair, interrogated and tortured by several police officers until she confesses to murdering her child.

So there we are - she had "admitted to killing her child".   Are you happy that it is entirely justified and she deserved it? 

stephen25000

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1430 on: January 20, 2016, 12:08:49 PM »
One has to wonder whether some posters here are actually in favour of miscarriages of justice, rather than opposed to them.

So Alfred, let's get things clear.

Are you supporting child killers ?

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1431 on: January 20, 2016, 12:13:14 PM »
So Alfred, let's get things clear.

Are you supporting child killers ?

sounds to me like he is

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1432 on: January 20, 2016, 12:16:39 PM »
So Alfred, let's get things clear.

Are you supporting child killers ?
Does it matter what I say?  You believe I do, and as far as you're concerned that's that.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1433 on: January 20, 2016, 12:17:14 PM »
So let's be clear - murder suspects deserve to be tortured, even before they have been found guilty of any crime, is that your view?

We deal in facts here Alfie, the Ciprianos conduct immediately following Joana's disappearance gave rise for concern thus why the GNR passed the file to the PJ in Portimao initially who then passed it to HQ in Faro. Their stories conflicted, they said one thing one day and something else the next.  Leonor eventually admitted to the hitting her head against the wall episode. Her brother John corroborated her tale and admitted that he too did it.

The priority for the police then was to recover the child dead or alive and after eight days if she was being held somewhere she might have needed urgent help.  While Leonor was being questioned, John Cipriano was followed in the hope he would lead police to the girl, he didn't.

Leonor was arrested, charged and remanded in custody, John was released on bail on the basis he would show police where Joana was buried. It was at this point that the police lost patience with Leonor who had continually exploited the situation, she was interrogated and beaten in order to extract the truth of where the girl was.

I don't condone what they did but I can understand why they did it.

De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1434 on: January 20, 2016, 12:18:43 PM »
So now it seems if you support the right of everyone to a fair legal process that doesn't involve torture then that equates to supporting child killers, such is the mentality of some on this board.  It's really quite frightening!

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1435 on: January 20, 2016, 12:18:59 PM »
We deal in facts here Alfie, the Ciprianos conduct immediately following Joana's disappearance gave rise for concern thus why the GNR passed the file to the PJ in Portimao initially who then passed it to HQ in Faro. Their stories conflicted, they said one thing one day and something else the next. 

Leonor eventually admitted to the hitting her head against the wall episode. Her brother John corroborated her tale and admitted that he too did it. 
The priority for the police then was to recover the child dead or alive and after eight days if she was being held somewhere she might have needed urgent help.  While Leonor was being questioned, John Cipriano was followed in the hope he would lead police to the girl, he didn't.

Leonor was arrested, charged and remanded in custody, John was released on bail on the basis he would show police where Joana was buried. It was at this point that the police lost patience with Leonor who had continually exploited the situation, she was interrogated and beaten in order to extract the truth of where the girl was.

I don't condone what they did but I can understand why they did it.

 8@??)(

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1436 on: January 20, 2016, 12:19:59 PM »
We deal in facts here Alfie, the Ciprianos conduct immediately following Joana's disappearance gave rise for concern thus why the GNR passed the file to the PJ in Portimao initially who then passed it to HQ in Faro. Their stories conflicted, they said one thing one day and something else the next.  Leonor eventually admitted to the hitting her head against the wall episode. Her brother John corroborated her tale and admitted that he too did it.

The priority for the police then was to recover the child dead or alive and after eight days if she was being held somewhere she might have needed urgent help.  While Leonor was being questioned, John Cipriano was followed in the hope he would lead police to the girl, he didn't.

Leonor was arrested, charged and remanded in custody, John was released on bail on the basis he would show police where Joana was buried. It was at this point that the police lost patience with Leonor who had continually exploited the situation, she was interrogated and beaten in order to extract the truth of where the girl was.

I don't condone what they did but I can understand why they did it.
Ermmm...yes you do!
Angelo: "Cipriano deserved all she got".

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1437 on: January 20, 2016, 12:20:30 PM »
One has to wonder whether some posters here are actually in favour of miscarriages of justice, rather than opposed to them.

Certainly not pseudo ones.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1438 on: January 20, 2016, 12:21:59 PM »
Certainly not pseudo ones.

notice how   non mcann supporters live in the real world? not  a fantasy world

Offline Angelo222

Re: Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?
« Reply #1439 on: January 20, 2016, 12:22:43 PM »
Ermmm...yes you do!
Angelo: "Cipriano deserved all she got".

Do read what I posted.  I DON'T CONDONE TORTURE  but Leonor got what she deserved.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!