Why is there so much support for Leonor Cipriano from McCann supporters?

[stephen25000]

Many of those "proven facts" were considered to be so under the rules of "common experience".

I posted them the other day.

I doubt that anyone sensible on here would agree that the majority of those points could be accepted as "common experience", yet they were (in this marathon trial lasting only 20 hours).

It wasn't the defence that wanted a jury trial, so it must have been the prosecution. How convenient.

Has it actually crossed your mind the pair got the sentences they deserved ?

[Mr Gray]

Many of those "proven facts" were considered to be so under the rules of "common experience".

I posted them the other day.

I doubt that anyone sensible on here would agree that the majority of those points could be accepted as "common experience", yet they were (in this marathon trial lasting only 20 hours).

It wasn't the defence that wanted a jury trial, so it must have been the prosecution. How convenient.

It seems stephen thinks those points proven are actually proven

[Carana]

Has it actually crossed your mind the pair got the sentence they deserve ?

If they actually did what they were alleged to have done, they deserve the long sentences that they were given.

However, I am not at all convinced that they are, or if they are, that it happened in the way that was alleged.

In the meantime, there is a little girl whose fate is unknown.

ETA:

AND, if they are not guilty, then someone else is still out there.

[stephen25000]

If they actually did what they were alleged to have done, they deserve the long sentences that they were given.

However, I am not at all convinced that they are, or if they are, that it happened in the way that was alleged.

In the meantime, there is a little girl whose fate is unknown.

Well, if she was alive, she would be about 18.

As far as her fate, with the murder conviction, she is considered dead as a result of criminal acts.those are the facts.

[Eleanor]

Well I suggest you don't call me naive, or give me orders.

Don't ever even suggest that any member of this Site has an ulterior motive.  You know that you stepped over the line. Nothing that you can say about naivety will cover for that.

Just don't do it again..

[Carana]

Well, if she was alive, she would be about 18.

As far as her fate, with the murder conviction, she is considered dead as a result of criminal acts.those are the facts.

I find it sad that she is assumed dead because of this speed-dial murder trial.

A few children have been found after years, and others have been eventually found to have died soon after they disappeared.

In this case, no one, aside from Joana and whoever she encountered after leaving the shop (unless she had an accident and disappeared in a ditch, which seems unlikely), knows what happened that night.

[misty]

I find it sad that she is assumed dead because of this speed-dial murder trial.

A few children have been found after years, and others have been eventually found to have died soon after they disappeared.

In this case, no one, aside from Joana and whoever she encountered after leaving the shop (unless she had an accident and disappeared in a ditch, which seems unlikely), knows what happened that night.

I know it's a bit off-topic - but did they ever interview the locum priest at the church close to where Joana was last seen? The usual priest was away in Germany for a week.

[stephen25000]

I find it sad that she is assumed dead because of this speed-dial murder trial.

A few children have been found after years, and others have been eventually found to have died soon after they disappeared.

In this case, no one, aside from Joana and whoever she encountered after leaving the shop (unless she had an accident and disappeared in a ditch, which seems unlikely), knows what happened that night.

Not one site of her since she disappeared.

She has been declared dead.

[Carana]

There was a young girl called Joana who went missing. Is anyone still looking for her?

No. She can't even be on an officially missing child list any more, even though there is no proof that she even got home that evening.

[slartibartfast]

I think it might be two moderators

Go on, give us a clue.

[Eleanor]

Not one site of her since she disappeared.

She has been declared dead.

No, she hasn't been declared dead.

[Carana]

Not one site of her since she disappeared.

She has been declared dead.

She is presumed dead.

Hardly surprising when she is alleged to have been compacted in a car in Spain (according to Cristovão's book), or fed to pigs (prosecution theory presented in court). Neither of those ultimate fates have been substantiated.

If ever she is alive, maybe she'll reappear one day. If she's dead, perhaps someone on a walk will take the time to wonder if a little bone is just that of a dead stray dog.

[Jean-Pierre]

A couple who blame each other for the murder of a small child.

Have you read their psychological profiles, which Angelo kindly provided on this thread the other day ?

So as regards naivety, I leave that to you, unless of course you have another motive in claiming a miscarriage of justice.

Do try to avoid the personal attacks, Stephen.  It just makes you appear petulant and childish.   

[misty]

A couple who blame each other for the murder of a small child.

Have you read their psychological profiles, which Angelo kindly provided on this thread the other day ?

So as regards naivety, I leave that to you, unless of course you have another motive in claiming a miscarriage of justice.

Were the profiles written by the same guy who administers Amaral's "retirement fund?"

[Alice Purjorick]

I find it sad that she is assumed dead because of this speed-dial murder trial.

A few children have been found after years, and others have been eventually found to have died soon after they disappeared.

In this case, no one, aside from Joana and whoever she encountered after leaving the shop (unless she had an accident and disappeared in a ditch, which seems unlikely), knows what happened that night.

"Speed dial" when viewed through the prism of an Anglican Law trial where the defence, the prosecution and to a lesser extent the judge all have an "innings" and a summing up.
Under the Romanesque system only the judge really has an innings and there is less faffing about.
One would therefore expect it to be quicker.