Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?

[sadie]

The McCanns weren't charged because the evidence wasn't strong enough to secure a conviction.Francis Auld was acquitted because the evidence wasn't strong enough to secure a conviction.

Same meat, different gravy.

Who knows what evidence has been uncovered in the meantime regarding both cases.

Are you accusing The Mccanns?

[Angelo222]

Are you accusing The Mccanns?

Are you? %£&)**#

[sadie]

Are you? %£&)**#

Not me. 
But sounds as tho Faith might have been tho.


Nigh Night.

[Brietta]

So you do believe that ine day you're going to turn on the radio and hear that thr McCanns have been arrested.  Wow.  Given that you also believe Madeleine's body is buried under ten years worth of PdL refuse, and given that despite all the pressure you believe the Met deliberately placed on the McCanns by shifting emphasis on to Smithman some years ago neither look anywhere near cracking, what sort of evidence of criminality do you believe the PJ / Met have been able to gather so far?

ETA your example wasn't a very good one seeing as how the individual in question had already been charged and tried for the crime of murder, presumably on the basis of a considerable weight of evidence and whose case is being retried on the basis I presume in advances in DNA, unlike the McCanns who were never even charged.

 ''that b........ verdict, illogical, contrary to legal principle and wholly indefensible.'' Sir Walter Scott
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12582321.Third_policeman_of_Scots_law/

I agree that entirely the wrong case has been chosen as an example; if Auld is prosecuted again it will be because of the Double Jeopardy (Scotland) Act 2011 which has abolished the double jeopardy rule.

Not by the wildest stretch of the imagination could Amanda's murder be associated in any way with Madeleine McCann's case.

The desperation to associate the Drs McCann in some way with the suggestion the twins may have been drugged and or it was their responsibility not that of the PJ to have them checked is palpable.

All that happened nearly nine years ago, yet we keep retreading exactly the same path.

To what end?

That investigation ended in failure for the co-ordinator and in his abject failure to progress Madeleine's case anywhere near discovering what may have happened on the 3rd or towards finding her.

Nearly everyone else has moved on.  Most people are far more interested in what may be happening with the Policia Judiciaria and the Scotland Yard investigations of the here and now.

[Alfred R Jones]

The McCanns weren't charged because the evidence wasn't strong enough to secure a conviction.
Francis Auld was acquitted because the evidence wasn't strong enough to secure a conviction.

Same meat, different gravy.

Who knows what evidence has been uncovered in the meantime regarding both cases.

In my opinion there is a difference between "not enough evidence to charge" and "not enough evidence to secure a conviction".  the fact is, if you truly believe your theory is the right one then, barring a confession from one of the protagonists, it is extraordinarily unlikely that the police have made any progress in amassing the evidence necessary to charge them, again - in my opinion.

[Mr Gray]

The McCanns weren't charged because the evidence wasn't strong enough to secure a conviction.
Francis Auld was acquitted because the evidence wasn't strong enough to secure a conviction.

Same meat, different gravy.

Who knows what evidence has been uncovered in the meantime regarding both cases.

what a disgrace that speculative posts like this are allowed on here

[slartibartfast]

what a disgrace that speculative posts like this are allowed on here

Can you point out what was inaccurate in FL's post?

[Mr Gray]

Can you point out what was inaccurate in FL's post?

it is the way it is phrased to imply that there near sufficient evidence to convict

[Lace]

I think the McCanns had other things on their mind that evening, such as the sudden disappearance of their eldest child, and that perhaps because of this, and the possibility that Madeleine was in the process of being whisked away from them forever, they may not have been 100% focussed on the well-being of the twins.  Despite this Kate continued to monitor their breathing and was surrounded by medical experts who were on hand to keep an eye on the kids should the situation change.  That's what I believe.  What do you believe?  Either that they simply don't care about the twins or that they knew they were fine despite the fact that they had earlier been sedated by their own hand?  It must be one or the other, it couldn't possibly be anything else could it?!

              WELL SAID ALF

[Lace]

Welcome back Sadie !!

[Brietta]

Can you point out what was inaccurate in FL's post?

Angst, misery, bad poetry - it's the way she tells them
Now comes Never Land, which might have made a halfway decent 10-minute sketch for Monty Python but is here stretched over three hours. Though there are flashes of humour throughout, the play also features embarrassing flights of bad poetry, lashings of existential angst, sudden unexpected howls of misery and a climactic mass suicide. Despite these sensational ingredients, it has, by the end, become a crashing bore.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4711661/Angst-misery-bad-poetry-its-the-way-she-tells-them.html

It is really rather ... touching?? ... or something like that, that you immediately jump in to defend the honour of sceptic posters while hounding others.

Great moderation and even handedness each and every time.

Amanda Duffy's foul murder really has not a thing to do with either the checking of the McCann twins ... or the mistakes made by the Policia Judiciaria ... so how it can be spun to include Madeleine's case in any way ... is a bit of a mystery, but you make it clear why it is tolerated.

[Alfred R Jones]

In general tabloids take a story from a source or other paper and embroider it. You can identify from where stories have been borrowed by the embroidery they have.

In the Swiss case, the Swiss police point out that they didn't say the culprit had been in Portugal and there doesn't appear to be a source for that statement. The tabloids said she had been sexually assaulted but a retrospect a year later said there was no evidence of it. It's what sells copy rather than accuracy.

I'm still waiting for cites to back up the above statement.

[slartibartfast]

I'm still waiting for cites to back up the above statement.

They are all on the link I gave.

[slartibartfast]

Angst, misery, bad poetry - it's the way she tells them
Now comes Never Land, which might have made a halfway decent 10-minute sketch for Monty Python but is here stretched over three hours. Though there are flashes of humour throughout, the play also features embarrassing flights of bad poetry, lashings of existential angst, sudden unexpected howls of misery and a climactic mass suicide. Despite these sensational ingredients, it has, by the end, become a crashing bore.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/4711661/Angst-misery-bad-poetry-its-the-way-she-tells-them.html

It is really rather ... touching?? ... or something like that, that you immediately jump in to defend the honour of sceptic posters while hounding others.

Great moderation and even handedness each and every time.

Amanda Duffy's foul murder really has not a thing to do with either the checking of the McCann twins ... or the mistakes made by the Policia Judiciaria ... so how it can be spun to include Madeleine's case in any way ... is a bit of a mystery, but you make it clear why it is tolerated.

No just addressing davel's hyberbole.

P.S. As with the other mods we are allowed to post in our own rights.

[Alfred R Jones]

They are all on the link I gave.

As I said yesterday I read all the tabloid articles on your link and could not find one that said the child had been sexually assaulted.  Perhaps you could copy and paste the relevant quotes for me, as I must have missed them.