Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?

[stephen25000]

How do you know that they didn't?

All that can be ascertained from the files is that they raised the issue, but there is nothing to indicate that the PJ acted upon it.

Nothing stopped the McCann's.

Nothing at all.

[Carana]

Nothing stopped the McCann's.

Nothing at all.

Why on earth should examining potential forensic evidence have been left to the McCanns? If they had done so, it would have been considered as tampering.

[faithlilly]

Why on earth should examining potential forensic evidence have been left to the McCanns? If they had done so, it would have been considered as tampering.

It all boils down to one question as far as I can see. Did the McCanns on the night of the 3rd of May raise their, admitted, concerns that their children may have been drugged as they were sleeping so deeply with any police officer ?

[Alice Purjorick]

It all boils down to one question as far as I can see. Did the McCanns on the night of the 3rd of May raise their, admitted, concerns that their children may have been drugged as they were sleeping so deeply with any police officer ?

An interesting extension is:
Let's say they were drugged. Now we have to work out by whose hand, when and by what device.

[faithlilly]

An interesting extension is:
Let's say they were drugged. Now we have to work out by whose hand, when and by what device.

I think that if the first question is answered in the negative then the second isn't really necessary.

[Alice Purjorick]

I think that if the first question is answered in the negative then the second isn't really necessary.

You'd spoil anybody's fun. I was over the hill with a conspiracy theory involving abductors, their assistants, mobile pharmacies and a range of gadgets all of which left no trace of their existence.
G'nite Faithlilly 

[faithlilly]

You'd spoil anybody's fun. I was over the hill with a conspiracy theory involving abductors, their assistants, mobile pharmacies and a range of gadgets all of which left no trace of their existence.
G'nite Faithlilly 

I can only apologise and promise to try harder tomorrow.

Sleep well Alice.

[Carana]

It all boils down to one question as far as I can see. Did the McCanns on the night of the 3rd of May raise their, admitted, concerns that their children may have been drugged as they were sleeping so deeply with any police officer ?

There were enough police officers there on the night. Why didn't they raise the issue?

[misty]

It all boils down to one question as far as I can see. Did the McCanns on the night of the 3rd of May raise their, admitted, concerns that their children may have been drugged as they were sleeping so deeply with any police officer ?

Was there an officer on duty who would have dealt with their concerns rather than prioritise the search for a missing child?

[Benice]

It all boils down to one question as far as I can see. Did the McCanns on the night of the 3rd of May raise their, admitted, concerns that their children may have been drugged as they were sleeping so deeply with any police officer ?

Why?   What difference does it make to anything if they raised their concerns to the police on the 3rd or a couple of days later via their FLO's - or both which may well be the case.  It would not affect the outcome of any testing.     The point is that in spite of their concerns  - the PJ took the decision not to arrange for tests to take place.

Attempts to hold the McCanns responsible for this blunder, admitted by Amaral, are as pathetic as the reason he gives for deciding not to do the tests IMO.   Once again it seems the McCanns are being bashed for not doing the police's job for them.   

[faithlilly]

There were enough police officers there on the night. Why didn't they raise the issue?

The officers didn't know how soundly the twins slept. For all they knew this could have been a quite natural state for the children when asleep. The McCanns knew it was not.

[faithlilly]

Why?   What difference does it make to anything if they raised their concerns to the police on the 3rd or a couple of days later via their FLO's - or both which may well be the case.  It would not affect the outcome of any testing.     The point is that in spite of their concerns  - the PJ took the decision not to arrange for tests to take place.

Attempts to hold the McCanns responsible for this blunder, admitted by Amaral, are as pathetic as the reason he gives for deciding not to do the tests IMO.   Once again it seems the McCanns are being bashed for not doing the police's job for them.

What difference does it make ? Seriously ? To put not to fine a point on it it could have meant permanent disablement or even death for the twins. Unless the person who administered the sedative knew exactly how to sedate a child then who knows what terrible outcome would have followed. Both Kate and Gerry said the depth of unconsciousness the twins displayed that night was abnormal, only they were in a position to know that so why didn't they beg and plead with the police officers on the scene to take them to the nearest hospital ?

[misty]

What difference does it make ? Seriously ? To put not to fine a point on it it could have meant permanent disablement or even death for the twins. Unless the person who administered the sedative knew exactly how to sedate a child then who knows what terrible outcome would have followed. Both Kate and Gerry said the depth of unconsciousness the twins displayed that night was abnormal, only they were in a position to know that so why didn't they beg and plead with the police officers on the scene to take them to the nearest hospital ?

Fiona Payne is an anaesthetist. She was with KM & would have been in a better position to monitor the twins for any potential sedation contra-indications.

[pathfinder73]

1485
 'Did the twins wake up at all''
 
 Reply
 'They didn't. They didn't'.
 
 1485
 'In the aftermath'
 
 Reply
 'No, and that was the other thing, she (Kate) kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[misty]

1485
 'Did the twins wake up at all''
 
 Reply
 'They didn't. They didn't'.
 
 1485
 'In the aftermath'
 
 Reply
 'No, and that was the other thing, she (Kate) kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay. But they were okay, I mean, they were fine, they didn't, they were asleep, but at the time it did seem weird, I remember thinking, you know, when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn't, you know, so much as blink'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

So no visible signs that the twins were in respiratory failure, as per 2 anaesthetists.