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Offline faithlilly

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #75 on: January 05, 2016, 11:19:50 AM »
So Kate McCann assessed the rate, depth, regularity and more and concluded that the twins were likely to have been sedated. She then did....................nothing, zero, nil. Unacceptable.

Of course it is and then she compounds their calumny by claiming in her book that she tried to alert the police officers at the scene of her concerns ( knocking into the long grass the claims by some here that, due to her experience as an anaethetist she knew that the twins were okay just by putting a hand on their backs ) even though not one person, even those closest to her on the night, claim they saw her do this.

From Madeleine :

"On the night Madeleine was taken, you may remember, Gerry and I had been very concerned that Sean and Amelie had hardly moved in their cots, let alone woken up, despite the commotion in the apartment. Since Madeleine was snatched apparently without making a sound, we had always suspected that all three children might have been sedated by the abductor. We mentioned this to the police that night and several more times in the following weeks, but no testing of urine, blood or hair, which could have revealed the presence of drugs, had ever been done. Apparently, hair grows at a rate of approximately 1cm per month, so it was possible that hair samples taken even four months later could provide us with additional information. It was worth a shot, at least. I asked for samples of my own hair to be taken as well simply because I was fed up with the constant insinuations that I took tranquillizers, sleeping pills or any medication, for that matter."
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #76 on: January 05, 2016, 11:43:20 AM »
Misty please tell me that even you don't believe that an anaesthetist can tell how much sedation an individual has been given and the effect it is having on their body just by looking at them ?
latest guidelines on sedation state that although minimal monitoring should be in place....no electronic monitoring can replace the observations of an experienced sedationist. Up until 15 yrs ago I carried out sedation without any electronic  monitoring and relied solely on observation...so the answer to your question is yes

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #77 on: January 05, 2016, 11:44:59 AM »
So Kate McCann assessed the rate, depth, regularity and more and concluded that the twins were likely to have been sedated. She then did....................nothing, zero, nil. Unacceptable.

unacceptable to whom....

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #78 on: January 05, 2016, 11:58:47 AM »
latest guidelines on sedation state that although minimal monitoring should be in place....no electronic monitoring can replace the observations of an experienced sedationist. Up until 15 yrs ago I carried out sedation without any electronic  monitoring and relied solely on observation...so the answer to your question is yes

What sort of flow control valves and flow meters did you use?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #79 on: January 05, 2016, 01:20:58 PM »
What sort of flow control valves and flow meters did you use?

none

Offline jassi

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #80 on: January 05, 2016, 01:29:16 PM »
Surely not the old chloroform on the hanky routine ?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #81 on: January 05, 2016, 01:31:30 PM »
Surely not the old chloroform on the hanky routine ?

keep guessing

stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #82 on: January 05, 2016, 01:32:55 PM »
none

So basically, it is hearsay.

Would you also say there are sedatives which dissipate very quickly ?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #83 on: January 05, 2016, 01:38:10 PM »
So basically, it is hearsay.

Would you also say there are sedatives which dissipate very quickly ?

it is as valid as your claim to be a chemistry teacher.....sedatives that dissipate quickly would be those that are inhaled...as soon as you stop inhaling the sedative the sedative blood level falls very quickly...those that are swallowed or administered parentally do not dissipate quickly....in the case of the diazapines you can actually get a second peak several hours after administraion


diazepam appears to undergo enterohepatic recirculation with second plasma peak occurring 4-6 hrs after initial administration. This may be associated with re-sedation. Not uncommon for there also to be an additional peak at 10-12 hrs, although this only seen when very large doses are given (eg 1 mg/kg)


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stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #84 on: January 05, 2016, 01:45:28 PM »
it is as valid as your claim to be a chemistry teacher.....sedatives that dissipate quickly would be those that are inhaled...as soon as you stop inhaling the sedative the sedative blood level falls very quickly...those that are swallowed or administered parentally do not dissipate quickly....in the case of the diazapines you can actually get a second peak several hours after administraion

I don't make a multitude of claims dave.

............and since the parents claimed that sedatives were used, what does that tell us about them, not pursuing it, until a time when it was totally irrelevant ?

Was it just PR ?

Well it failed on that, if that was their intention.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #85 on: January 05, 2016, 01:52:16 PM »
I don't make a multitude of claims dave.

............and since the parents claimed that sedatives were used, what does that tell us about them, not pursuing it, until a time when it was totally irrelevant ?

Was it just PR ?

Well it failed on that, if that was their intention.

i can think of lot's of reasons but as you would not accept them its a waste of time me posting them.

Offline Angelo222

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #86 on: January 05, 2016, 01:56:12 PM »
The McCanns are both qualified doctors and were well aware that had the twins been sedated or tranquilized that chemical traces could have been detected in their hair.  Given that they were concerned from a very early stage that the twins might have been interfered with I cannot understand their reluctance to have them tested immediately.
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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #87 on: January 05, 2016, 02:04:07 PM »
The McCanns are both qualified doctors and were well aware that had the twins been sedated or tranquilized that chemical traces could have been detected in their hair.  Given that they were concerned from a very early stage that the twins might have been interfered with I cannot understand their reluctance to have them tested immediately.

wouldnt most parents  have rushed  toddlers to a nearest hospital??

Offline Lace

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #88 on: January 05, 2016, 02:04:49 PM »
What I think and this is just my opinion,   I think Kate told the police about her concerns but the police [who remember one said in his statement he didn't think it was an abduction]   just thought she was an hysterical mother,  they thought at the time Madeleine had just wandered out of the apartment.   So I wouldn't be surprised if he just ignored what she said.   

Offline Carana

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #89 on: January 05, 2016, 02:06:40 PM »
The McCanns are both qualified doctors and were well aware that had the twins been sedated or tranquilized that chemical traces could have been detected in their hair.  Given that they were concerned from a very early stage that the twins might have been interfered with I cannot understand their reluctance to have them tested immediately.

Who said that they were reluctant to have their hair tested?