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Offline faithlilly

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #585 on: January 15, 2016, 10:12:33 AM »
According to Amaral.     Pity he had to resort to lying in his book about the properties of Calpol, and then lie again about what Kate's father had said on the subject of Calpol in order to convince his readers.   Not to mention the nasty inuendo about the twins suffering from sedative withdrawal problems.      Inexcusable dishonesty IMO.

Kate 'misunderstands' the length of time cadaver scent can be detected, even though, she tells us, her husband has made a very thorough study of the subject. Amaral 'misunderstands' that calpol has no sedative effects. Six of one to me.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #586 on: January 15, 2016, 10:21:49 AM »
Kate was keen to counter malicious falsehood.

Why do you have a problem with that?


In actuality ferryman, it will probably now be never known whether or not the children were sedated.

Do you have a problem with that ?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #587 on: January 15, 2016, 10:51:50 AM »
Kate 'misunderstands' the length of time cadaver scent can be detected, even though, she tells us, her husband has made a very thorough study of the subject. Amaral 'misunderstands' that calpol has no sedative effects. Six of one to me.

Calpol works differently on different children. It makes some of them sleep but doesn't do it on others. Calpol Night does (or did), so not that far out.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #588 on: January 15, 2016, 10:57:00 AM »
Calpol works differently on different children. It makes some of them sleep but doesn't do it on others. Calpol Night does (or did), so not that far out.

I believe Calpol Night wasn't launched until after the McCann's ill fated holiday. That's not to say doctors weren't given samples before its launch.
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Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #589 on: January 15, 2016, 11:08:40 AM »
I believe Calpol Night wasn't launched until after the McCann's ill fated holiday. That's not to say doctors weren't given a sample before its launch.

That is the case I believe Faithlilly.

As to the use of Calpol, I asked one of my students a while ago as to whether he and/or his brothers had been given Calpol when they were younger. He said yes.

'She gave it to keep us quiet'.
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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #590 on: January 15, 2016, 11:15:11 AM »
Calpol works differently on different children. It makes some of them sleep but doesn't do it on others. Calpol Night does (or did), so not that far out.

Calpol is paracatomol (in smaller doses for children)

It isn't anything else.

It is used for pain relief or to lower a raised temperature. 

It is (occasionally) mis-used for other purposes.

But scarcely by parents both doctors ....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #591 on: January 15, 2016, 11:25:31 AM »
I believe Calpol Night wasn't launched until after the McCann's ill fated holiday.That's not to say doctors weren't given a sample before its launch.

A real possibility as it was approved for use on 12/01/2007 by the Medicines & Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20141205150130/http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/l-unit1/documents/websiteresources/con014180.pdf
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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #592 on: January 15, 2016, 11:25:42 AM »
Calpol is paracatomol (in smaller doses for children)

It isn't anything else.

It is used for pain relief or to lower a raised temperature. 

It is (occasionally) mis-used for other purposes.

But scarcely by parents both doctors ....

How would you know what the mccanns did ?

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #593 on: January 15, 2016, 11:37:10 AM »
A real possibility as it was approved for use on 12/01/2007 by the Medicines & Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20141205150130/http://www.mhra.gov.uk/home/groups/l-unit1/documents/websiteresources/con014180.pdf

Idle speculation, gossip, tittle-tattle ....

All what substitutes proper debate (all too often) on this board.


Offline Brietta

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #594 on: January 15, 2016, 11:56:29 AM »
Idle speculation, gossip, tittle-tattle ....

All what substitutes proper debate (all too often) on this board.

Very true.  Particularly since the twins had not been given paracetamol or any other drug, either prescription or over the counter, by their parents.

The purpose of testing would have been primarily to ascertain if they had been drugged by an intruder opening the possibility that Madeleine had been subject to being subdued in the same manner.

Since we subsequently know from the co-ordinator and his second in command that Madeleine's parents had been suspected of 'staging' the abduction scenario ... why would they have bothered testing the twins?

Therefore the mistake admitted to be one by Goncalo Amaral ... was very probably not one of omission but one of commission.

As were many of the elementary mistakes made in how to go about conducting an investigation into a missing child by a squad with no experience of conducting the task ... and possibly under leadership too arrogant to ask for or accept advice.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #595 on: January 15, 2016, 12:12:24 PM »
Very true.  Particularly since the twins had not been given paracetamol or any other drug, either prescription or over the counter, by their parents.

The purpose of testing would have been primarily to ascertain if they had been drugged by an intruder opening the possibility that Madeleine had been subject to being subdued in the same manner.

Since we subsequently know from the co-ordinator and his second in command that Madeleine's parents had been suspected of 'staging' the abduction scenario ... why would they have bothered testing the twins?

Therefore the mistake admitted to be one by Goncalo Amaral ... was very probably not one of omission but one of commission.

As were many of the elementary mistakes made in how to go about conducting an investigation into a missing child by a squad with no experience of conducting the task ... and possibly under leadership too arrogant to ask for or accept advice.

How would you know if the mccanns had administered any drugs to their children ?

As to 'mistakes', that is an opinion, as is your opinion of Amaral.

By the same tone, I view the mccanns as being highly arrogant. Again, my view.

Offline John

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #596 on: January 15, 2016, 12:41:30 PM »
I recall we never went anywhere without a bottle of Calpol in the baby bag when we went any distance from home but that was when they were very young, probably under two years-of-age.  I can't remember it being used much after they had finished teething.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline carlymichelle

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #597 on: January 15, 2016, 01:06:57 PM »
capol is called panadol here in australia i think?   its given to children mostly  with temps and  earaches etc   a overdose of paractemol  can  kill you    because it affects your liver   and it isnt  always   right away it can take   days

Offline G-Unit

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #598 on: January 15, 2016, 01:52:06 PM »
Idle speculation, gossip, tittle-tattle ....

All what substitutes proper debate (all too often) on this board.

Speculation? You don't speculate then?

But scarcely by parents both doctors ....
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #599 on: January 15, 2016, 03:50:45 PM »
I don't see why there is any interest in Calpol...it has no sedative properties...another misatke by amaral. i don't know anyone who has given calpol to children to keep them quiet...does anyone...It wouldnt work