Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?

[Alfred R Jones]

You changed my discounted to not followed up.

In order for Von Aesch to have been discounted some sort of checks must have been carried out - is there any evidence of them, is there any evidence of requests for more information from the PJ to the Swiss police, anything at all to suggest that after a thorough examination of all the known facts about this individual that there was no way on God's planet that he could have been involved in Madeleine's disappearance?  Is it completely unlikely in your view that the PJ simply didn't follow up the Swiss lead at all?

[Alfred R Jones]

Years ago before we were done over by the PC crowd what I do was normally advertised in the Telegraph and Times with the caveat "must be able to communicate at all levels". I am trying to determine the level at which I should communicate around here. You did however seem to get my drift so I pegged you correctly 

So you're seriously suggesting that the Swiss police contacted the PJ to suggest that they may want to interview a dead man? 

[Alice Purjorick]

So you're seriously suggesting that the Swiss police contacted the PJ to suggest that they may want to interview a dead man?

Don't be daft; you know fine what I meant.
But if you want me to write it on a sign and smack you over the head with it just so's the message gets through, we were taught how to do that as well so just give the word

FAO Mods that is a figure of speech not a threat!

[Alfred R Jones]

Don't be daft; you know fine what I meant.
But if you want me to write it on a sign and smack you over the head with it just so's the message gets through, we were taught how to do that as well so just give the word

FAO Mods that is a figure of speech not a threat!

You'd better do that then, because I have no idea what it is you're trying to tell us.

[Brietta]

Just wondering where the "morass" originated, so maybe we are supposed to infer something by your reluctance to help.

Since it is "help" you require I will acquiesce.

However it does not absolve you from giving out information why you demand cites from some and defend others from providing them when they are asked.

You may want to give that some consideration.


Madeleine: New police chief's fury over the mess he inherited from his predecessor
By IAN GALLAGHER
Last updated at 00:29 22 October 2007

**Snip

Paulo Rebelo, the new police chief leading the Madeleine McCann investigation, is furious at how it was left in disarray by his predecessor.

According to reports, officers have spent the past fortnight processing information left lying around on scraps of paper and following leads ignored by police working under Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral.

Following Amaral's removal after he criticised British police, Rebelo, one of Portugal's national deputy police chiefs, is reviewing the whole forensic investigation because of earlier procedural errors.

Local sources believe this will lead to further tests on the holiday apartment and hire car used by Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate McCann. British sources are doubtful this would yield anything new, especially given the length of time that has elapsed.

Meanwhile, a police source quoted in a Portuguese newspaper said: "There was important material lying all over the place that hadn't been considered by investigators.

"A lot of key information was discarded. The whole process is being reviewed. Putting all the papers in order has been a massive task."

Officers have been working round-the-clock to log on to a computer all information relating to the disappearance of four-year-old Madeleine from the holiday complex in May.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488802/Madeleine-New-police-chiefs-fury-mess-inherited-predecessor.html

[G-Unit]

I don't quite understand how there's a discussion about this. The PJ received a communication asking if they wished to examine a van. We don't know what their reply was, or even if there was a reply. Operation Grange hightailed it to Switzerland for some reason but it went nowhere. There are a few white vans in the files but none which seem to resemble the one used in Switzerland. Had the PJ sent a team to examine the van would they have found anything? We don't know because we don't even know if this guy was in Portugal at the time. I wonder why the Swiss didn't take samples and send them for matching to Madeleine's samples? that would have been the easiest solution imo.

[Alice Purjorick]

I suppose the Daily Mail is a reasonable source; it also said:
"However, the number of officers involved in the case has also been cut from 100 to about 40. Local press reports suggest that Rebelo's men were growing more sceptical about Madeleine being kidnapped".

[Alice Purjorick]

I don't quite understand how there's a discussion about this. The PJ received a communication asking if they wished to examine a van. We don't know what their reply was, or even if there was a reply. Operation Grange hightailed it to Switzerland for some reason but it went nowhere. There are a few white vans in the files but none which seem to resemble the one used in Switzerland. Had the PJ sent a team to examine the van would they have found anything? We don't know because we don't even know if this guy was in Portugal at the time. I wonder why the Swiss didn't take samples and send them for matching to Madeleine's samples? that would have been the easiest solution imo.

What the Swiss didn't do beyond a shadow of a doubt was to send an email to the PJ on 21st August 2007 asking if they would like to interview the guy which is suggested by implication by Brietta. He'd been dead for three weeks by that time.
I suspect Sr Amaral made many mistakes but to have to make up some that can be fragged without having to think too much shows a certain lack of imagination.

[Alfred R Jones]

What the Swiss didn't do beyond a shadow of a doubt was to send an email to the PJ on 21st August 2007 asking if they would like to interview the guy which is suggested by implication by Brietta. He'd been dead for three weeks by that time.
I suspect Sr Amaral made many mistakes but to have to make up some that can be fragged without having to think too much shows a certain lack of imagination.

You're simply making stuff in an attempt to make McCann supporter look foolish.  Brietta never implied that the Swiss extended an invitation to the PJ to interview a dead man.  This is what she wrote:

"If a person is not investigated at the time despite an invitation from their peers in another jurisdiction to the investigating authority to do so ... I consider it to be a dereliction of duty".

[Alfred R Jones]

I don't quite understand how there's a discussion about this. The PJ received a communication asking if they wished to examine a van. We don't know what their reply was, or even if there was a reply. Operation Grange hightailed it to Switzerland for some reason but it went nowhere. There are a few white vans in the files but none which seem to resemble the one used in Switzerland. Had the PJ sent a team to examine the van would they have found anything? We don't know because we don't even know if this guy was in Portugal at the time. I wonder why the Swiss didn't take samples and send them for matching to Madeleine's samples? that would have been the easiest solution imo.

Do you think it's acceptable for the PJ not to have followed up or responded to the Swiss police's communications on the subject?

[G-Unit]

What the Swiss didn't do beyond a shadow of a doubt was to send an email to the PJ on 21st August 2007 asking if they would like to interview the guy which is suggested by implication by Brietta. He'd been dead for three weeks by that time.
I suspect Sr Amaral made many mistakes but to have to make up some that can be fragged without having to think too much shows a certain lack of imagination.

Looking through the files an avalanche of information landed on the PJ. It came from other European police forces, Interpol, Leicestershire Constabulary, Crimestoppers, members of the public and goodness knows where else. How on earth they were supposed to sort the dross from the gold I can't imagine. The original coordinator had five months to look at the evidence. During that time the media was full of leaks, criticism and speculation.

Operation Grange took a year to look through all the information with no pressure being exerted on them whatsoever. Despite finding leads for investigation nothing seems to have emerged to suggest what happened to the child.

[G-Unit]

Do you think it's acceptable for the PJ not to have followed up or responded to the Swiss police's communications on the subject?

Can you provide evidence that they didn't?

[Alfred R Jones]

Can you provide evidence that they didn't?

I can provide no evidence that they did, and I can cite the fact that the Met decided to put Von aesch on their list of potential suspects to investigate further - but nicely deflected.  There is no evidence whatsoever that the PJ took this lead seriously, assuming that they did not - do you think that is acceptable? 

[Alfred R Jones]

Looking through the files an avalanche of information landed on the PJ. It came from other European police forces, Interpol, Leicestershire Constabulary, Crimestoppers, members of the public and goodness knows where else. How on earth they were supposed to sort the dross from the gold I can't imagine. The original coordinator had five months to look at the evidence. During that time the media was full of leaks, criticism and speculation.

Operation Grange took a year to look through all the information with no pressure being exerted on them whatsoever. Despite finding leads for investigation nothing seems to have emerged to suggest what happened to the child.

You sound like a PJ apologist.

[ferryman]

 During that time the media was full of leaks, criticism and speculation.

Criticism, not least, of the McCanns.

Why?