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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1170 on: January 23, 2016, 08:46:45 PM »
According to Kate she cleaned the stain then Madeleine disappeared wearing the stained top all on the same day. If Madeleine was found so could the source of the stain. If there was no evidence of a stain then Kate would be answering very serious questions.
@)(++(* ridiculous.

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1171 on: January 23, 2016, 08:57:19 PM »
or dying.


Quite, so let's hope we hear no more of it. If, as Kate suspected, the twins were drugged then it was with something longer lasting and probably given in food or drink imo.
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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1172 on: January 23, 2016, 09:21:15 PM »
@)(++(* ridiculous.

If a stain was found and it was incriminating who do you think would be answering questions? A shadow? You go to the source and that is Kate cleaning it.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1173 on: January 23, 2016, 09:29:18 PM »
If a stain was found and it was incriminating who do you think would be answering questions? A shadow? You go to the source and that is Kate cleaning it.
@)(++(*nonsensical.

Offline Brietta

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1174 on: January 23, 2016, 10:08:23 PM »
A big mistake made was to have allowed Goncalo Amaral to act as coordinator of the investigation into the disappearance of a missing child.

Following on from that was allowing him to remain in that position when he was made an arguido in a case involving at the time, the alleged torture, of the mother of another missing child whose case he also coordinated.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1175 on: January 23, 2016, 11:38:09 PM »
Another big error was the almost immediate institution of the "blame game" by a Portuguese police force very clearly out of its depth in a case of this type.

The fact that these trepidations somehow came to be published in the Portuguese press from very early in the investigation is unprofessional as well as probably breaking the secrecy laws.
It has set the scene in my opinion for their "suspicions" to be sustained by some for coming up on nine years now.

Complaints about the chaotic scenes at the apartment with people coming and going miss entirely that the complainants - as first law enforcement on the scene - were the ones who should have been taking control of the situation immediately they arrived and imposing a measure of discipline.

Big mistake.

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1176 on: January 24, 2016, 06:51:50 PM »
Another big error was the almost immediate institution of the "blame game" by a Portuguese police force very clearly out of its depth in a case of this type.

The fact that these trepidations somehow came to be published in the Portuguese press from very early in the investigation is unprofessional as well as probably breaking the secrecy laws.
It has set the scene in my opinion for their "suspicions" to be sustained by some for coming up on nine years now.

Complaints about the chaotic scenes at the apartment with people coming and going miss entirely that the complainants - as first law enforcement on the scene - were the ones who should have been taking control of the situation immediately they arrived and imposing a measure of discipline.

Big mistake.

How could they take control of the scene until they arrived ?

By then damage to the crime scene had already taken place.




Offline Brietta

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1177 on: January 24, 2016, 07:17:31 PM »
How could they take control of the scene until they arrived ?

By then damage to the crime scene had already taken place.

Perhaps you failed to notice the words in my post ...

" ... as first law enforcement on the scene - were the ones who should have been taking control of the situation immediately they arrived and imposing a measure of discipline."


Standing around criticising really doesn't cut the mustard. Perhaps they were the officers who contributed the cigarette ash which contaminated the scene.

Apparently most of the damage to the crime scene occurred when the amateurish attempts of the first technicians collecting the absolutely vital first forensic samples botched the job which left the investigation floundering.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1178 on: January 24, 2016, 07:19:32 PM »
Perhaps you failed to notice the words in my post ...

" ... as first law enforcement on the scene - were the ones who should have been taking control of the situation immediately they arrived and imposing a measure of discipline."


Standing around criticising really doesn't cut the mustard. Perhaps they were the officers who contributed the cigarette ash which contaminated the scene.

Apparently most of the damage to the crime scene occurred when the amateurish attempts of the first technicians collecting the absolutely vital first forensic samples botched the job which left the investigation floundering.

I read your comment.

Typical mccann supporter strategy, namely blame everyone else.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1179 on: January 24, 2016, 07:26:07 PM »
@)(++(*nonsensical.

She found it very important to clean (more important than watching her daughter sailing) and then Madeleine disappeared wearing it. And Amelie is allegedly wearing her pyjamas days later. Oh yes Kate would be answering questions.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Brietta

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1180 on: January 24, 2016, 07:33:15 PM »
I read your comment.

Typical mccann supporter strategy, namely blame everyone else.

The police should have been observant ... which apparently they were in the matter the body language and the behaviour of the distraught parents who seem not to have behaved in a manner puzzling to them.

In combination with observing the scene and its participants they should perhaps have given some consideration to operational duties such as taking control and halting any further contamination of what their observation?? and experience should have told them was a crime scene.

They didn't do that;  and I'm not alone in recognising the error;  no less an authority than Mr Amaral made passing reference in his book ... but you're probably correct as far as that goes... he didn't get a lot right in that if memory serves me well. 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1181 on: January 24, 2016, 07:34:41 PM »
The police should have been observant ... which apparently they were in the matter the body language and the behaviour of the distraught parents who seem not to have behaved in a manner puzzling to them.

In combination with observing the scene and its participants they should perhaps have given some consideration to operational duties such as taking control and halting any further contamination of what their observation?? and experience should have told them was a crime scene.

They didn't do that;  and I'm not alone in recognising the error;  no less an authority than Mr Amaral made passing reference in his book ... but you're probably correct as far as that goes... he didn't get a lot right in that if memory serves me well.

If memory serves ?


...but you weren't there, were you.

Offline Brietta

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1182 on: January 24, 2016, 07:42:27 PM »
If memory serves ?


...but you weren't there, were you.

What a really obtuse response ... even more so than usual.

If there was a requirement to have been there to post a comment on the forum ... how many members would be eligible?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Brietta

Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1183 on: January 24, 2016, 07:44:15 PM »
If memory serves ?


...but you weren't there, were you.

The magic word since you obviously missed it is ... book.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Was the PJ's biggest mistake not testing the twins straight away?
« Reply #1184 on: January 24, 2016, 07:50:04 PM »
The magic word since you obviously missed it is ... book.

NICE.

Have you read Amaral's as well ?