Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website

[Mr Gray]

If you look at it as a process it's clearer. Cameron was 'persuaded' by the parents and Brooks. He persuaded May. May persuaded the Met. The Met decided to take it on but the remit was to investigate the 'abduction'.

Why did they restrict it? Perhaps that's what they were asked to do, no more, no less. Perhaps the high ups in the Met decided to restrict it After all, neither Cameron, Brooks or May would have been pleased if SY had headed straight for the parents and their friends, would they? That would have been carrying on where the PJ left off and no-one thought that would go down well.

I expect the Met thought they could find evidence of an abduction where the PJ had failed. They used the press to show how busy they were and what they were achieving. Slowly but surely the their leads led nowhere. Now we have silence.

First you haven't answered the question...bennett has said grange is a sham .....if it's a sham...what is it's real purpose...
second...do you know for  a fact the grange has not considered and ruled out the parents... I would think they  have....that leaves abduction as the most likely cause of the disappearance....which is the conclusion I have reached

[stephen25000]

The McCann's and their backers have only one recourse, ABDUCTION.

Without that, where are they ?

[Mr Gray]

The McCann's and their backers have only one recourse, ABDUCTION.

Without that, where are they ?

as experienced investigators...based on the evidence...we believe Madeleine McCann was removed from the apartment by a stranger....DCI Redwood...Scotland Yard

[G-Unit]

First you haven't answered the question...bennett has said grange is a sham .....if it's a sham...what is it's real purpose...
second...do you know for  a fact the grange has not considered and ruled out the parents... I would think they  have....that leaves abduction as the most likely cause of the disappearance....which is the conclusion I have reached

Even if it all happened as I said, the remit makes it a sham. They didn't begin by proving an abduction happened, they began with a disappearance which they decided, on no evidence, to investigate as an abduction.

The purpose was to find an abductor. The mistake imo was to assume there was an abduction.

Why would Grange consider and rule out the parents? They are unlikely to have abducted their own child, which is why Redwood said they were not suspects or persons of interest.

[Mr Gray]

Even if it all happened as I said, the remit makes it a sham. They didn't begin by proving an abduction happened, they began with a disappearance which they decided, on no evidence, to investigate as an abduction.

The purpose was to find an abductor. The mistake imo was to assume there was an abduction.

Why would Grange consider and rule out the parents? They are unlikely to have abducted their own child, which is why Redwood said they were not suspects or persons of interest.

you are again assuming that they did not look at the parents...that is an assumption ...a mistake by you...if the parents are ruled out then everything points to an abduction

[G-Unit]

you are again assuming that they did not look at the parents...that is an assumption ...a mistake by you...if the parents are ruled out then everything points to an abduction

I have given a reason why they didn't need to look at the parents; because they were looking at abduction only if we believe their remit.

Please give your reason why they would look at them.

[Mr Gray]

I have given a reason why they didn't need to look at the parents; because they were looking at abduction only if we believe their remit.

Please give your reason why they would look at them.

because it is standard police practice......you are assuming they didn't...I am assuming they did...when was the remit drawn up....do we have a date....

[G-Unit]

because it is standard police practice......you are assuming they didn't...I am assuming they did...when was the remit drawn up....do we have a date....

It would be if parents reported a child missing in the UK. They would look at family and friends just to make sure it was an abduction. This investigation didn't begin at disappearance it began at abduction.

Why would the remit be drawn up after they started? That would be like starting to build a house then drawing up plans later.

[Mr Gray]

It would be if parents reported a child missing in the UK. They would look at family and friends just to make sure it was an abduction. This investigation didn't begin at disappearance it began at abduction.

Why would the remit be drawn up after they started? That would be like starting to build a house then drawing up plans later.

If we don't know when the remit was drawn up then we don't know if the had already examined evidence....looked at the parents and then decided abduction. As I have already said if the parents are ruled out then abduction is odds on.
We have had criticism of the cost of grange from within the police...but not one word saying the parents had not been investigated... I think there would have been a leak if this was the case...

So it is all assumption...we do know Redwood ruled out the parents...you want to believe he did this without looking at them....the fact he ruled them out tells me they had looked at the evidence and spoken to them

[Mr Gray]

All of blonks ideas are pure speculation with no real evidence to back them up...based on his misunderstanding of the evidence

[Lace]

Blonk,    you can waffle as much as you like,  but it is the FIRST item on your list that you are enraged about.   SY are investigating an ABDUCTION,   the McCann's and their friends are not suspects.

They didn't follow the route you would have liked them to have did they?

So you have wracked your brains to find a nice little list of why OG is a sham.

The Portuguese are working along side OG are they are a sham too?

[Mr Gray]

Blonk,    you can waffle as much as you like,  but it is the FIRST item on your list that you are enraged about.   SY are investigating an ABDUCTION,   the McCann's and their friends are not suspects.

They didn't follow the route you would have liked them to have did they?

So you have wracked your brains to find a nice little list of why OG is a sham.

The Portuguese are working along side OG are they are a sham too?

it seems blonk is given a platform to make claims but does not have the facts to back his claims up.

[stephen25000]

Blonk,    you can waffle as much as you like,  but it is the FIRST item on your list that you are enraged about.   SY are investigating an ABDUCTION,   the McCann's and their friends are not suspects.

They didn't follow the route you would have liked them to have did they?

So you have wracked your brains to find a nice little list of why OG is a sham.

The Portuguese are working along side OG are they are a sham too?

and extremely clearly, SY have found NOTHING.

[Lace]

I'm sorry I don't know why I'm even taking part in this debate with this man.

I know you see what he believes,   that Madeleine died before the 3rd of May that everyone who saw Madeleine after Sunday are all lying or making a mistake.   That the Smith's are lying too.

How can anyone take this man seriously?

I'm not going to say anything else on this thread Blonk is a sham.

[stephen25000]

I'm sorry I don't know why I'm even taking part in this debate with this man.

I know you see what he believes,   that Madeleine died before the 3rd of May that everyone who saw Madeleine after Sunday are all lying or making a mistake.   That the Smith's are lying too.

How can anyone take this man seriously?

I'm not going to say anything else on this thread Blonk is a sham.

Well, I don't believe Madeleine died before the 3 rd May, and I've not heard anyone else on here before agree with that.

I do agree the SY investigation has been a waste of time and not achieved anything at all.