Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website

[Mr Gray]

Have you worked out a logical and plausible reason for why the govt would agree to shell out £11m to knowingly perpetuate a sham in the case of a missing child?

illuminati ?

[Alfred R Jones]

illuminati ?

I meant besides them. 

[Brietta]

What progress has this 'vehicle' made so far? It has certainly made a great deal of noise. Has the vehicle actually moved at all? How much actual progress has it made in identifying who was responsible for Madeleine's disappearance? Or where she is?

Alternatively, perhaps the vehicle HAS moved.

But in completely the wrong direction...

It has made a great deal more progress than any of the shenanigans which have occurred over the past nine years in attempts to obstruct in every and in any way humanly ??? possible anything which might progress finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

The 1,322 signatories to your petition suggest to me that despite your best efforts over the years you do not enjoy popular support.

Why you feel driven to interfere in a long time coming active investigation into the case of a missing child in any way whatsoever is a matter for your conscience.

The contempt I hold your effort in is a matter for mine and I am very comfortable with it.

Perhaps it behoves you to remember that Madeleine McCann enjoys the human right to have everything possible done to find out what happened to her on the 3rd May 2007 in Luz.

As long as Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria can confirm and justify to their political masters that they have active lines of inquiry to follow (who in the case of SY it is your stated intention to intimidate) the demand to know anything at all about it is a step beyond arrogance.
 "On the plus side it may serve as a reminder the Prime Minister that the money spent on Operation Grange wasn't his money and that the general public may have a legitimate interest in being informed as to what it has achieved"

It is about time to consider that you do not have the right to know anything at all about the progress of an active criminal investigation.

Whether into the case of a missing child or anything else for that matter.

[stephen25000]

It has made a great deal more progress than any of the shenanigans which have occurred over the past nine years in attempts to obstruct in every and in any way humanly ??? possible anything which might progress finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

The 1,322 signatories to your petition suggest to me that despite your best efforts over the years you do not enjoy popular support.

Why you feel driven to interfere in a long time coming active investigation into the case of a missing child in any way whatsoever is a matter for your conscience.

The contempt I hold your effort in is a matter for mine and I am very comfortable with it.

Perhaps it behoves you to remember that Madeleine McCann enjoys the human right to have everything possible done to find out what happened to her on the 3rd May 2007 in Luz.

As long as Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria can confirm and justify to their political masters that they have active lines of inquiry to follow (who in the case of SY it is your stated intention to intimidate) the demand to know anything at all about it is a step beyond arrogance.
 "On the plus side it may serve as a reminder the Prime Minister that the money spent on Operation Grange wasn't his money and that the general public may have a legitimate interest in being informed as to what it has achieved"

It is about time to consider that you do not have the right to know anything at all about the progress of an active criminal investigation.

Whether into the case of a missing child or anything else for that matter.

SY still ask for information from the public.

Now why is that ?

There is of course a very simple answer.

Think Manuel, one of the memorable lines from Andrew Sachs in Fawlty Towers.

[G-Unit]

It has made a great deal more progress than any of the shenanigans which have occurred over the past nine years in attempts to obstruct in every and in any way humanly ??? possible anything which might progress finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann.

The 1,322 signatories to your petition suggest to me that despite your best efforts over the years you do not enjoy popular support.

Why you feel driven to interfere in a long time coming active investigation into the case of a missing child in any way whatsoever is a matter for your conscience.

The contempt I hold your effort in is a matter for mine and I am very comfortable with it.

Perhaps it behoves you to remember that Madeleine McCann enjoys the human right to have everything possible done to find out what happened to her on the 3rd May 2007 in Luz.

As long as Scotland Yard and the Policia Judiciaria can confirm and justify to their political masters that they have active lines of inquiry to follow (who in the case of SY it is your stated intention to intimidate) the demand to know anything at all about it is a step beyond arrogance.
 "On the plus side it may serve as a reminder the Prime Minister that the money spent on Operation Grange wasn't his money and that the general public may have a legitimate interest in being informed as to what it has achieved"

It is about time to consider that you do not have the right to know anything at all about the progress of an active criminal investigation.

Whether into the case of a missing child or anything else for that matter.

Do you have anything which demonstrates the words I have bolded? As far as I know we have no idea what progress has been made, if any.

[stephen25000]

Do you have anything which demonstrates the words I have bolded? As far as I know we have no idea what progress has been made, if any.

Nothing from Redwood's replacement.

A scaling down of the operation.

The news a few weeks ago that G4S ex-coppers were used, which involved I believe 80 odd extra staff, who it is fair to bet were paid at a higher rate.

The last time anything was announced was a six month period to produce a result.

and has Madeleine been found, let alone the way she was removed from the apartment ?

[Carana]

Do you have anything which demonstrates the words I have bolded? As far as I know we have no idea what progress has been made, if any.

Would Portuguese judicial secrecy having anything to do with it, do you think?

[Erngath]

Do you have anything which demonstrates the words I have bolded? As far as I know we have no idea what progress has been made, if any.

Good morning. Surely Brietta is quoting this sentence from Blonk's post who in turn was quoting your post.
If I am wrong I apologise and will return to reading only for another year.

[Brietta]

Would Portuguese judicial secrecy having anything to do with it, do you think?

Initially there was a fear or it may even have been a threat that the Portuguese would shut down their inquiry were there any press intrusions.
It seems that after the initial leaks of the persons of interest and arguidos ... the source has been plugged ... and the police are just getting on quietly with the job in hand.
 

Maddie Case: Judiciary Police warns English that they don't want to see the investigation in the press
3 MARCH 2014 | POSTED BY JOANA MORAIS

The different PR strategies between the Portuguese and English authorities in the Maddie case are bothering the PJ [Judiciary Police]. The discomfort reached a point where the Judiciary Police had to warn the Metropolitan Police that they refuse to carry out the investigation through the press.

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According to sources well-acquainted with the process, the PJ has already informed their English counterparts that it “wants to continue to do their own investigation in the process and not in the newspapers.” A reminder, in order to make it clear, that they do not want English police sources to make comments on alleged facts of the Portuguese investigation. Especially because, they say, it is something that the English have no knowledge about. In Portugal there is an ongoing investigation led by a team from Oporto, but it has been a team from the PJ of Portimão who have responded to the letters rogatory sent by the English, that is, the requests for judicial assistance to the investigation in London

[Brietta]

Good morning. Surely Brietta is quoting this sentence from Blonk's post who in turn was quoting your post.
If I am wrong I apologise and will return to reading only for another year.

Thankyou that is a spot on observation, Erngath.

The fault is entirely mine in assuming that posters had been following the discussion, I should have attributed the quote.

Another day, another lesson learned.

Similarly perhaps more differentiation between emboldened phrases would enable those who cannot have any idea who is bolding what or why to know exactly what is being referred to.

[Eleanor]

Good morning. Surely Brietta is quoting this sentence from Blonk's post who in turn was quoting your post.
If I am wrong I apologise and will return to reading only for another year.

You are quite correct, Erngath.  Another example of manipulation of Poster's comments.

Apart from that, Sham, Charade and Farce regarding Operation Grange, in the absence of Cites, is not up for debate.

[stephen25000]

You are quite correct, Erngath.  Another example of manipulation of Poster's comments.

Apart from that, Sham, Charade and Farce regarding Operation Grange, in the absence of Cites, is not up for debate.

It is not libelous Eleanor, to give an opinion of a Police Investigation.

It is done in the press.

It is also merely demonstrating an opinion.

Also, by your logic, any criticism of the original investigation by any of the words 'Sham, Charade and Farce' can't be allowed.

You can't have double standards on this, and I know what your views are on the original investigation

[Eleanor]

It is not libelous Eleanor, to give an opinion of a Police Investigation.

It is done in the press.

It is also merely demonstrating an opinion.

Also, by your logic, any criticism of the original investigation by any of the words 'Sham, Charade and Farce' can't be allowed.

You can't have double standards on this, and I know what your views are on the original investigation

Forum Rules, Stephen, so don't you start.

The failures of the PJ Investigation are well documented, including by Amaral himself.  Do you have any such documented proof of failures by Operation Grange?

Meanwhile, this Petition is yet another failure, obvious by it's total lack of support.

[stephen25000]

Forum Rules, Stephen, so don't you start.

The failures of the PJ Investigation are well documented, including by Amaral himself.  Do you have any such documented proof of failures by Operation Grange?

Meanwhile, this Petition is yet another failure, obvious by it's total lack of support.

What forum rules don't allow a criticism of a police investigation ?

You have regularly criticized the original Portuguese one.

The 'failures' of the investigation in Portugal are also a matter of opinion.

and Operation Grange has been criticized in the press.

Now, you tell me what it has achieved exactly.

[Angelo222]

Could I point out that there is little to criticise if anything since Operation Grange hasn't reported anything.  It is one of two things, an abject and total failure or a very tight operation clad in secrecy.  Yous pay your money and yous take your pick as they say down here.