Petition re Madeleine McCann on Prime Minister's website

[Brietta]

REPLY: It would appear from your question that we take quite a different view of the evidence provided by one of the world's top dog handlers, Martin Grime. His dogs alerted to corpse odour or blood in 17 places associated with the McCanns in Praia da Luz, including four locations in their holiday apartment.

What is your assessment of the significance of that evidence?

Do you agree with Dr Gerald McCann's assessment that cadaver dogs are 'incredibly unreliable'?

Or do you agree with Dr Kate McCann's assessment ('madeleine', p. 250) that these were, quote: "False alerts, attributable to the conscious or unconscious signals of the handler"?

Exactly what significance does that post have in relation to this thread in which you seek to promote your petition to the Prime Minister in relation Operation Grange.

In my opinion ... you are revealing with this post the true nature of your endeavour.

[stephen25000]

N.B. Brietta.  I have already stated that the petition would not achieve anything.

[Brietta]

We all knew the petition would "achieve nothing" being framed on the back of the damp squib stirred by expenditure on looking for Madeleine and extinguished entirely when the announcement was made that SY had cleared the backlog and were progressing the case with a much reduced personnel needed to take part.
Mistiming on a monumental scale for a doomed petition because the majority are keen to find out ...
(a) what happened to Madeleine
(b) who would be absolutely delighted were she to be found alive.

People really do care about the rights of this child and wish her nothing but well.

What the motives of the signatories to the campaign questioning the vehicle making the investigation into Madeleine's case may be is for them to contemplate.

How many of these  did you award to a post on this thread which particularly appealed to you?

[stephen25000]

We all knew the petition would "achieve nothing" being framed on the back of the damp squib stirred by expenditure on looking for Madeleine and extinguished entirely when the announcement was made that SY had cleared the backlog and were progressing the case with a much reduced personnel needed to take part.
Mistiming on a monumental scale for a doomed petition because the majority are keen to find out ...
(a) what happened to Madeleine
(b) who would be absolutely delighted were she to be found alive.

People really do care about the rights of this child and wish her nothing but well.

What the motives of the signatories to the campaign questioning the vehicle making the investigation into Madeleine's case may be is for them to contemplate.

How many of these  did you award to a post on this thread which particularly appealed to you?

Here is a question mccann supporters have repeatedly ducked.

If Madeleine were to be alive, where would she be ?

There are of course 2 logical possibilities which has been mentioned before.

Would you care to answer ?

[blonk]

Here is a question McCann supporters have repeatedly ducked.

If Madeleine were to be alive, where would she be ?

There are of course 2 logical possibilities which has been mentioned before.

Would you care to answer ?

Not sure about the 'two logical possibilities', but what needs to established is:

1. Whether or not someone abducted her.

Operation Grange decided that she had been abducted when they began their investigation four years and nine months ago.

2. If she was abducted, who took her, and

3. Where did the abductor take her?

It's Scotland Yard's apparent failure to give any answers whatsoever to Questions (2) and (3), after they've been on the case for nearly five years (and spent £12 million) , and nearly nine years after Madeleine was reported missing, that understandably prompts people to want to sign a petition asking the very simple question: What have you found out?"     

NO. OF PETITION SIGNERS: 1,498  >>> https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562

[stephen25000]

I just can't see any petition such as this reaching the necessary minimum numbers.

The investigation should have looked at all the logical possibilities, it clearly didn't.

Even if it reached the necessary number of signatures, I feel sure it would be blocked by Cameron.

[Carana]

I have a question that perhaps Blonk could pass on to Mr Bennett in the event that he may know.

At the bottom of the petition page, there is a link that says get "petition data", which is here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562.json

What exactly does "signature count" mean?

Numerous people, including a number of people signed as MPs, have a "signature count" exceeding 1.

I can't work out quite what that means...

[Alfred R Jones]

I have a question that perhaps Blonk could pass on to Mr Bennett in the event that he may know.

At the bottom of the petition page, there is a link that says get "petition data", which is here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562.json

What exactly does "signature count" mean?

Numerous people, including a number of people signed as MPs, have a "signature count" exceeding 1.

I can't work out quite what that means...

Most curious.  Is this information regarding who has signed this petition?  If so it already seems to have the backing of most of the House of Commons including Jeremy Corbyn! 

[Carana]

Most curious.  Is this information regarding who has signed this petition?  If so it already seems to have the backing of most of the House of Commons including Jeremy Corbyn! 

No idea... One suggestion has been that the MP signature counts might simply be the number of people who've signed within a particular constituency represented by a particular MP.

ETA: That might make sense.

[Carana]

Quite possibly, in fact, as it starts with "signatures_by_country", then "signatures_by_constituency".

[Carana]

Another question, at what point does someone have to check whether all the signatories are in fact UK citizens or residents?

[blonk]

I have a question that perhaps Blonk could pass on to Mr Bennett in the event that he may know.

At the bottom of the petition page, there is a link that says get "petition data", which is here:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562.json

What exactly does "signature count" mean?

Numerous people, including a number of people signed as MPs, have a "signature count" exceeding 1.

I can't work out quite what that means...

To answer your question, I have no idea what the 'petition data' link is all about. I have tried to access that page but my computer won't let me. Maybe it is a list of MPs' e-mail addresses?

The map tells you what is going on, it shows how many have signed from each constituency. So far our 'top' constituency is Halton (Lancashire) with 11 signers. In a handful of constituencies, there are no signers at all.

But we press on...

PETITION SIGNERS TO DATE: 1,506       https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/108562 

[stephen25000]

Most curious.  Is this information regarding who has signed this petition?  If so it already seems to have the backing of most of the House of Commons including Jeremy Corbyn! 

At least Corbyn, for all his faults, can avoid making a pig's ear of things, unlike Cameron.

[Alice Purjorick]

Another question, at what point does someone have to check whether all the signatories are in fact UK citizens or residents?

I doubt it's checked in fine detail. It probably runs on an "honesty box" principle. No doubt obvious ringers are thrown out, but do you really think every email address will be checked? Check every one in one hundred maybe. I guess there must somekind of coarse screening to prevent New Guinea land divers influencing things just for a laugh.

The detail of signatures seems to be text detail of the graphic on the map.
 

[Carana]

I doubt it's checked in fine detail. It probably runs on an "honesty box" principle. No doubt obvious ringers are thrown out, but do you really think every email address will be checked? Check every one in one hundred maybe. I guess there must somekind of coarse screening to prevent New Guinea land divers influencing things just for a laugh.

The detail of signatures seems to be text detail of the graphic on the map.
 

I think I agree with you. It would cost a fortune to verify whether each signatory was genuinely a UK citizen or resident, or not. And even within the UK, it would cost a fortune to sit down and verify each person's identity and residence.

Unless the government has a fortune to spend on every petition, there is little way of knowing how many people who are not eligible to vote do so, nor how many socks any individual may use to spam a particular cause.