Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[misty]

Try answering the question I posed, rather than ignoring it.

I have answered your question fully, based on the information available.
Who managed to hide the corpse of poor Khandalyce Pearce for 7 years before it was dumped?
How do Interpol's most wanted escape detection for years?
Walk down any street these days & many folk are looking at their phones, not what's going on around them. Walk down any street & ask any resident which houses have children living in them.
If alive, Madeleine could be anywhere. If dead, Madeleine could be anywhere.
OG have been working on the premise that Madeleine was alive up until the time of the Tapas meal. That totally negates the  assertions of R. Hall & his DVD's should be treated with the disdain they deserve.

[stephen25000]

I have answered your question fully, based on the information available.
Who managed to hide the corpse of poor Khandalyce Pearce for 7 years before it was dumped?
How do Interpol's most wanted escape detection for years?
Walk down any street these days & many folk are looking at their phones, not what's going on around them. Walk down any street & ask any resident which houses have children living in them.
If alive, Madeleine could be anywhere. If dead, Madeleine could be anywhere.
OG have been working on the premise that Madeleine was alive up until the time of the Tapas meal. That totally negates the  assertions of R. Hall & his DVD's should be treated with the disdain they deserve.

Perhaps you would care to remind me of the parallels with the mccann case.

IMO, those who 'believe' Madeleine will be found alive know in reality she won't and/or have reasons for plying that line.

[ferryman]

(Intended as a response to Stephen 25000, not Misty)

(Stephen25000)

Perhaps you would care to remind me of the parallels with the mccann case.

IMO, those who 'believe' Madeleine will be found alive know in reality she won't and/or have reasons for plying that line.

There are, perhaps, reasons for attempting to gently steer relatives of a missing loved-one, hovering between grief and hope over the fate of a (missing) loved-one, towards the worst assumption.

But I don't, somehow, think that that's your reasoning or rationale ....

[misty]

Perhaps you would care to remind me of the parallels with the mccann case.

IMO, those who 'believe' Madeleine will be found alive know in reality she won't and/or have reasons for plying that line.

Do those who hope or believe she will be found alive have less validity than those who hope or believe it was the parentswotdunit/Madeleine is dead & continue to ply their lines?

[stephen25000]

There are, perhaps, psychological reasons for attempting to gently steer a loved-one, hovering between grief and hope over the (undetermined) fate of a missing loved-one, towards acceptance of the worst assumption (that the missing person is dead).

But I don't, somehow, think that that's your reasoning or rationale ....

...and you have clear cut reasons for shouting abduction and trying to imply that she could be found alive, regardless of the fact there has been no sign of her for almost 9 years.

[Mr Gray]

Perhaps it was considered irrelevant to the board.

it seems the death of leonard nimoy was considered relevant and posts allowed to stand

[ferryman]

...and you have clear cut reasons for shouting abduction and trying to imply that she could be found alive, regardless of the fact there has been no sign of her for almost 9 years.

The Portuguese prosecutors said Madeleine was abducted.

Andy Redwood said there is a chance Madeleine might be alive.

Will that do?

[Alice Purjorick]

I have answered your question fully, based on the information available.
Who managed to hide the corpse of poor Khandalyce Pearce for 7 years before it was dumped?
How do Interpol's most wanted escape detection for years?
Walk down any street these days & many folk are looking at their phones, not what's going on around them. Walk down any street & ask any resident which houses have children living in them.
If alive, Madeleine could be anywhere. If dead, Madeleine could be anywhere.
OG have been working on the premise that Madeleine was alive up until the time of the Tapas meal. That totally negates the  assertions of R. Hall & his DVD's should be treated with the disdain they deserve.

You and I will never agree on much but in this instance .... &%+((£
The King Pin for Hall's argument is that the PJ were incorrect to think there was a17:30 sighting and he [Hall] was right to think there was no such sighting without much in the way of back up for that thought.
That's where I said "goodnight Mr Hall".
If there was a 17:30 sighting all the rest of Halls argument becomes superfluous narrative.
Wet tennis courts, pristine sandals, how big and what colour the balls were, hats, who took the pic............. ; if however one has got down to that level of detail and is arguing about it seriously then ipso fatso one has accepted Hall's King Pin to be a truth.

[Eleanor]

The Portuguese prosecutors said Madeleine was abducted.

Andy Redwood said there is a chance Madeleine might be alive.

Will that do?

Obviously not.  But then who are they?

[Eleanor]

You and I will never agree on much but in this instance .... &%+((£
The King Pin for Hall's argument is that the PJ were incorrect to think there was a17:30 sighting and he [Hall] was right to think there was no such sighting without much in the way of back up for that thought.
That's where I said "goodnight Mr Hall".
If there was a 17:30 sighting all the rest of Halls argument becomes superfluous narrative.
Wet tennis courts, pristine sandals, how big and what colour the balls were, hats, who took the pic............. ; if however one has got down to that level of detail and is arguing about it seriously then ipso fatso one has accepted Hall's King Pin to be a truth.

"Superfluous Narrative."  I like that description.

[stephen25000]

The Portuguese prosecutors said Madeleine was abducted.

Andy Redwood said there is a chance Madeleine might be alive.

Will that do?

Evidence, but there is none.

[ferryman]

Evidence, but there is none.

Of Madeleine's (ultimate!) fate (that we know).

But evidence enough to convince the Portuguese prosecutors and Scotland Yard that Madeleine was abducted

[Mr Gray]

Evidence, but there is none.

#of course there is evidence...you are confusing evidence with proof

[G-Unit]

You and I will never agree on much but in this instance .... &%+((£
The King Pin for Hall's argument is that the PJ were incorrect to think there was a17:30 sighting and he [Hall] was right to think there was no such sighting without much in the way of back up for that thought.
That's where I said "goodnight Mr Hall".
If there was a 17:30 sighting all the rest of Halls argument becomes superfluous narrative.
Wet tennis courts, pristine sandals, how big and what colour the balls were, hats, who took the pic............. ; if however one has got down to that level of detail and is arguing about it seriously then ipso fatso one has accepted Hall's King Pin to be a truth.

Good point. Who saw Madeleine at 17.30 then? Cat Baker for one;

Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

Her colleague doesn't remember;

she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.

She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

The receptionist doesn't remember;

Regarding the days when the events took place, she remembers that her working day was normal and she did not notice anything strange that could be of interest for the proceedings. On this same day, at around 17h30 she remembers having left the reception area and going to get her salary, but she does not remember having seen Madeleine and her parents enter the Tapas restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ELISA.htm

One of the cooks remembers;

Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

Two for (only one of whom really knew her) and two don't knows. Any more?

[blonk]

Good point. Who saw Madeleine at 17.30 then? Cat Baker for one;

Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm

Her colleague doesn't remember;

she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.

She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

The receptionist doesn't remember;

Regarding the days when the events took place, she remembers that her working day was normal and she did not notice anything strange that could be of interest for the proceedings. On this same day, at around 17h30 she remembers having left the reception area and going to get her salary, but she does not remember having seen Madeleine and her parents enter the Tapas restaurant.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ELISA.htm

One of the cooks remembers;

Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm

Two for (only one of whom really knew her) and two don't knows.

Any more?

Any more?

Well, yes, we have the recollections of Gerry and Kate McCann.

Unfortunately for the claims about the alleged high tea, their statements disagree with each other and furthermore contradict those of Cat Baker.

I say 'those' of Cat Baker because she made two statements. The one you quote was made on 18 April 2008. By that time, she had had 351 days to think about her answers.

It was a funny affair that high tea. So the cook saw Madeleine at 4.30pm? Gerry says he got there at 4.45pm. The crèche sheets, it is claimed, were taken to the Tapas restaurant that day and apparently signed by Kate at 5.25 (twins) and IIRC Gerry at 5.30 (Madeleine). But one of the staff said that they were all enjoying themselves so much that they carried on until 6.00pm.

Given that Madeleine was, according to Kate, 'pale', 'worn out' and 'exhausted' ('madeleine', Kate McCann, pp. 66-7), it's perhaps surprising that Gerry didn't notice this and take Madeleine back earlier. Then we learn ('madeleine', p. 67) that the three children all went back with Mummy and Daddy to the apartment, with Kate 'carrying Madeleine', despite a hearty jog just earlier, and Gerry presumably sauntering along with the twins while his wife was carrying Madeleine, who must have weighed well over 2 stone. Not very gentlemanly.

A bit later, however, Madeleine perked up and said: "Mummy, this was my best day ever".

At 6.30pm Kate and David Payne claimed they had an encounter at the apartment. Their stories about what happened when he arrived at the apartment do not match in any way at all.

Of course, there are some who wave away all talk of contradictions and discrepancies and discount them altogether.

To my mind, based on the available evidence, that high tea with Madeleine on 3 May remains unproven at best.