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Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1290 on: March 30, 2016, 08:52:03 AM »
There was a theory banded around that Madeleine met her fate due to MW neglect and they did a deal with a lot of people, all the olayers and a few bigwigs

Would explain alot of things but maybe out there a bit

I wouldn't be surprised because they seem to me to be an accident waiting to happen. I don't believe the McCanns would go along with it for a minute though. No way would such a reputation conscious couple have agreed to pretend to neglect their children.
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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1291 on: March 30, 2016, 09:05:32 AM »
There was a theory banded around that Madeleine met her fate due to MW neglect and they did a deal with a lot of people, all the olayers and a few bigwigs

Would explain alot of things but maybe out there a bit

Mark Warner had no direct responsibility.

I can see no evidence that Mark Warner nannies were other than conscientious and professional.

I'm not aware that the McCanns (nor anyone who supports them) have ever suggested such a thing? ....

Offline carlymichelle

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1292 on: March 30, 2016, 09:30:22 AM »
Mark Warner had no direct responsibility.

I can see no evidence that Mark Warner nannies were other than conscientious and professional.

I'm not aware that the McCanns (nor anyone who supports them) have ever suggested such a thing? ....

the mcanns are directly  responsible for their lack of care

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1293 on: March 30, 2016, 09:39:36 AM »
the mcanns are directly  responsible for their lack of care
iNDEED.

The care and protection of their children was solely in their hands.

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1294 on: March 30, 2016, 09:44:21 AM »
Mark Warner had no direct responsibility.

I can see no evidence that Mark Warner nannies were other than conscientious and professional.

I'm not aware that the McCanns (nor anyone who supports them) have ever suggested such a thing? ....

All you have to do, ferryman, to judge the professionalism of one of the nannies and her supervisor is to look at the Lobster Minis sign-in sheets. The afternoon of 30th April was particularly bad. Not being able to demonstrate who's there and who isn't is the height of bad practice. Given the childcare standards of the McCanns I wouldn't be at all surprised to find they think those of Mark Warner are acceptable.


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Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1295 on: March 30, 2016, 09:51:10 AM »
It would be interesting if we could have sight of record keeping for previous weeks and see if they were similar to the records for that week.
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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1296 on: March 30, 2016, 09:56:12 AM »
All you have to do, ferryman, to judge the professionalism of one of the nannies and her supervisor is to look at the Lobster Minis sign-in sheets. The afternoon of 30th April was particularly bad. Not being able to demonstrate who's there and who isn't is the height of bad practice. Given the childcare standards of the McCanns and their supporters I'm not at all surprised that they think those of Mark Warner are acceptable.




I resent your implied criticism of my "childcare standards".
You know absolutely nothing of my "childcare standards" both professionally and personally, just as I know nothing about your "childcare standards"
Could you edit your post please .
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Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1297 on: March 30, 2016, 10:09:53 AM »
It is a cheek to assume all McCann's supporters agree with the child care arrangements of the McCann's I for one don't.

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1298 on: March 30, 2016, 10:20:46 AM »
I've edited my post, sorry! I was replying to ferryman and grouped 'the McCanns' and 'their supporters' together because he did.
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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1299 on: March 30, 2016, 11:56:22 AM »
All you have to do, ferryman, to judge the professionalism of one of the nannies and her supervisor is to look at the Lobster Minis sign-in sheets. The afternoon of 30th April was particularly bad. Not being able to demonstrate who's there and who isn't is the height of bad practice. Given the childcare standards of the McCanns I wouldn't be at all surprised to find they think those of Mark Warner are acceptable.


I'm not sure you can rely on the afternoon entries as evidence of poor record keeping.  What I am seeing is a particularly poorly scanned document.  There appear to be multiple entries that have not been picked up, and even some of the box grid has almost disappeared from sight.

Just thinking out loud at the moment.  Most forms tell you to use a dark ink, to get it to scan or copy well.  MW crèche would not have needed a copy, so perhaps they were less fussy about this.  Maybe, or maybe not.

What can be picked up from this page is interesting.

The idea that a substitute for Madeleine was being used strikes me as ludicrous, but let's chalk it off on the evidence.

M was in the same group as Ella O'Brien, as the record shows.

Therefore to use a substitute - a substitute has to first be arranged, then disappear.  This requires a supplier is in on it.  If the M child changes during the week, it requires that Cat B is in on it (but not if the child substitutes for M from Sun to Thu).  It requires the substitute child is able to respond to Madeleine or Maddie, and keeps her own name secret.  On this particular record, it requires that Ella keeps her gob shut about the fact that the substitute is not M.

It is difficult to discern the afternoon time out for M.  Further, I haven't looked to see if there is a record for that day for the twins.  But on any day the twins and the substitute took high tea together, the twins had to react to this substitute as if she were M.

I haven't checked the records or statements to see if any of the T7 attended a high tea.  If so, they are in on it.  Either the substitute was at high tea, which they definitely should have noticed, or the substitute wasn't, in which case they should have wondered why the twins were not accompanied by their sister.

Finally, there is the simple issue of looking after the substitute outside of crèche times.  Breakfast, lunch, evenings.

To make the substitute theory fly, you need a massive conspiracy plus some cracking child actors.

What is the probability?  0%, IMO.

Unless I am mistaken, that cuts it down to whether the crèche records were being fiddled or not.  Even if a substitute was used for a very short period e.g. just Thu afternoon, then Cat B would have to part of the plot.  You don't look after a child from Sun to Thu morning, and not notice a sub has been popped in for one session.

So either M was there, as per crèche records, or the records are false.  Sloppiness does not enter the equation.
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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1300 on: March 30, 2016, 12:16:59 PM »
All you have to do, ferryman, to judge the professionalism of one of the nannies and her supervisor is to look at the Lobster Minis sign-in sheets. The afternoon of 30th April was particularly bad. Not being able to demonstrate who's there and who isn't is the height of bad practice. Given the childcare standards of the McCanns I wouldn't be at all surprised to find they think those of Mark Warner are acceptable.



Pity the three kids who remain there! Well they haven't been signed out!
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1301 on: March 30, 2016, 01:12:34 PM »
I'm not sure you can rely on the afternoon entries as evidence of poor record keeping.  What I am seeing is a particularly poorly scanned document.  There appear to be multiple entries that have not been picked up, and even some of the box grid has almost disappeared from sight.

Just thinking out loud at the moment.  Most forms tell you to use a dark ink, to get it to scan or copy well.  MW crèche would not have needed a copy, so perhaps they were less fussy about this.  Maybe, or maybe not.

What can be picked up from this page is interesting.

The idea that a substitute for Madeleine was being used strikes me as ludicrous, but let's chalk it off on the evidence.

M was in the same group as Ella O'Brien, as the record shows.

Therefore to use a substitute - a substitute has to first be arranged, then disappear.  This requires a supplier is in on it.  If the M child changes during the week, it requires that Cat B is in on it (but not if the child substitutes for M from Sun to Thu).  It requires the substitute child is able to respond to Madeleine or Maddie, and keeps her own name secret.  On this particular record, it requires that Ella keeps her gob shut about the fact that the substitute is not M.

It is difficult to discern the afternoon time out for M.  Further, I haven't looked to see if there is a record for that day for the twins.  But on any day the twins and the substitute took high tea together, the twins had to react to this substitute as if she were M.

I haven't checked the records or statements to see if any of the T7 attended a high tea.  If so, they are in on it.  Either the substitute was at high tea, which they definitely should have noticed, or the substitute wasn't, in which case they should have wondered why the twins were not accompanied by their sister.

Finally, there is the simple issue of looking after the substitute outside of crèche times.  Breakfast, lunch, evenings.

To make the substitute theory fly, you need a massive conspiracy plus some cracking child actors.

What is the probability?  0%, IMO.

Unless I am mistaken, that cuts it down to whether the crèche records were being fiddled or not.  Even if a substitute was used for a very short period e.g. just Thu afternoon, then Cat B would have to part of the plot.  You don't look after a child from Sun to Thu morning, and not notice a sub has been popped in for one session.

So either M was there, as per crèche records, or the records are false.  Sloppiness does not enter the equation.

In the context of this thread I don't believe that a substitute was used and I do believe that Madeleine attended when the sheets say she did. On the day shown, all the children were signed in late. According to Kate McCann that happened the day after, on the 1st following the beach trip. It looks like she mixed up the days.

In the context of the case as a whole I think it's possible that Madeleine left the creche early on 3rd May but was only actually signed out at 5.30pm when the twins were collected.
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Offline jassi

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« Reply #1302 on: March 30, 2016, 01:15:39 PM »
In the context of this thread I don't believe that a substitute was used and I do believe that Madeleine attended when the sheets say she did. On the day shown, all the children were signed in late. According to Kate McCann that happened the day after, on the 1st following the beach trip. It looks like she mixed up the days.

In the context of the case as a whole I think it's possible that Madeleine left the creche early on 3rd May but was only actually signed out at 5.30pm when the twins were collected.

Seems that members of the group did quite a lot of that.
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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1303 on: March 30, 2016, 02:02:06 PM »
Seems that members of the group did quite a lot of that.

To be fair I'd have trouble saying what I did each day last week. The PJ files were in Kate's possession by the time she wrote her book, however, so she could have checked which day the children went to creche later than usual.
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Offline xtina

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« Reply #1304 on: March 30, 2016, 04:01:30 PM »
It is nearly impossible to remember who and what .....i have just got back fromBbutlins ..[of all places] with a group of family/friends

I actually thought for two days one of my nephews was there ....only to be told he wasn't....i could have sworn i had seen him ...but obviously i just assumed i had...i expected him to be there

it made me think ....it is virtually impossible because you are so busy sorting your own little ones out and planning your day/night you don't really take much notice ..of the others in your party

we only got back yesterday...but some had left the day before....and it still seemed as if we were all together in the reds club .....even though we wasn't ....now looking back ...i don't know who had gone

no way can anyone who did not know maddie ...would have remembered seeing her ....or even those that did know her ....
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