Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[xtina]

It's still Sagres records v Hall's chart.  They don't match up.  One is wrong.



the charts R H showed were for PDL.....................the mccs where in PDL

Thursday is not confermed as being sunny all day ...as obviously the sunday was


“And I remember the Thursday was a bit of a transition day, as I say, you know, with the weather, it just seemed to warm up, it was sunnier, erm, and it was a very pleasant evening, you know, it was a nice sunny evening, warm”


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it can be overcast and still fairly warm.......but not as the so called last picture showed ...[hot and sunny]

k mcc...in her own words in her book says...the weather was a bit on the cool side i should have brought a cardigan

the photo shown as the last was not cardigan weather


why did it take three weeks for the mccs to show that photo.....was it to hand it in when the date was changed.

his sisters Philomena  husband was a experienced camera expert/photshoper.....did he give it to him when he was in England

the photo was handed over 24 hours after ...Philomena arrived ....her husband seems very weird ..

as the clip shows 19 min 10 secs ..into it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUPm35D-X3o

[Benice]

After reading the evidence from witnesses and the different charts produced on this thread -   it would seem to me that on 3rd May the weather began to improve and the sun came out more and more frequently as the day went on.

What the weather was like 40 miles away  - is not irrefutable evidence of what it was doing in PdL

Therefore any claim that it was impossible for the sun to be shining at the time the last photo was taken is erroneous IMO.   

[xtina]

Whoever posted notes (Albym?) seems to have noted quite a few photos of Madeleine.

The pink tracksuit one is noted as being taken on 2 May, but I'm not sure where that information came from.

The "playground man" pic was taken that day, according to Bruno Press.
http://www.brunopress.nl/bin/Brunopress.dll/go?a=disp&t=sr-loadersearch.html&searchtext=madeleine+mccann+2007

(p. 8 - ref 01256702 and 01256698)

If so, there must have been a bit of sunshine poking through at some point on Wed pm.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HOLIDAY-PHOTOS-LIST.htm

strange how if ...that photo was took  on the wednesday ....

they are wearing the same clothes as the day they arrived ...both maddie and twin

[xtina]

After reading the evidence from witnesses and the different charts produced on this thread -   it would seem to me that on 3rd May the weather began to improve and the sun came out more and more frequently as the day went on.

What the weather was like 60 or 70 miles away  - is not irrefutable evidence of what it was doing in PdL

Therefore any claim that it was impossible for the sun to be shining at the time the last photo was taken is erroneous IMO.

who said it was 60/70 miles away ....bit of an exaggeration there ..

.for a start...you are practically doubling it

[Benice]

who said it was 60/70 miles away ....bit of an exaggeration there ..

.for a start...you are practically doubling it

You may well be right - if so can you say how far Faro was from PdL and I will edit my post.    I did read elsewhere  that Faro Airport was where the info originated - do you know whether that is the case or not?

[xtina]

You may well be right - if so can you say how far Faro was from PdL and I will edit my post.    I did read elsewhere  that Faro Airport was where the info originated - do you know whether that is the case or not?

As Faro is 40 miles to the E of Luz

[Benice]

As Faro is 40 miles to the E of Luz

Thankyou - I've edited my post accordingly.   

[Brietta]

After reading the evidence from witnesses and the different charts produced on this thread -   it would seem to me that on 3rd May the weather began to improve and the sun came out more and more frequently as the day went on.

What the weather was like 40 miles away  - is not irrefutable evidence of what it was doing in PdL

Therefore any claim that it was impossible for the sun to be shining at the time the last photo was taken is erroneous IMO.

The anecdotal evidence from people who were actually in Praia da Luz on the day in question stating there was an improvement in the weather swings it for me.  Then I'm not hung up on conspiracy theories.

[Benice]

It's still Sagres records v Hall's chart.  They don't match up.  One is wrong.



the charts R H showed were for PDL.....................the mccs where in PDL

Thursday is not confermed as being sunny all day ...as obviously the sunday was


“And I remember the Thursday was a bit of a transition day, as I say, you know, with the weather, it just seemed to warm up, it was sunnier, erm, and it was a very pleasant evening, you know, it was a nice sunny evening, warm”


t
it can be overcast and still fairly warm.......but not as the so called last picture showed ...[hot and sunny]

k mcc...in her own words in her book says...the weather was a bit on the cool side i should have brought a cardigan

the photo shown as the last was not cardigan weather


why did it take three weeks for the mccs to show that photo.....was it to hand it in when the date was changed.

his sisters Philomena  husband was a experienced camera expert/photshoper.....did he give it to him when he was in England

the photo was handed over 24 hours after ...Philomena arrived ....her husband seems very weird ..

as the clip shows 19 min 10 secs ..into it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUPm35D-X3o

I know nothing about photoshopping but if Gerry had access to such an experienced camera expert/photoshopper - then why didn't he get him to make the photo appear to be taken in dull weather conditions? 

Two police forces have no problem with that last photo - only conspiracy theorists IMO. 

[Brietta]

I know nothing about photoshopping but if Gerry had access to such an experienced camera expert/photoshopper - then why didn't he get him to make the photo appear to be taken in dull weather conditions? 

Two police forces have no problem with that last photo - only conspiracy theorists IMO.

That is one of the most logical statements I have seen in this whole sorry conspiracy discussion. 

[Carana]

Hall on cloud cover: "... They show that on the Thursday there was about 50% cloud cover from dawn rising to nearly 100% cloud cover by the early afternoon."


???

Is there any vertical correlation between sunshine / cloud cover and the temperature chart in the row above that?

There are vertical grid lines separating the days.

Where does he get the assumption from that 50% cloud cover starts at dawn if it's meant to be a 24-hour chart?

If it does start at dawn for some reason, then how can the higher level of cloud cover towards the right of that chart correspond to early afternoon?

10:40 ish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUPm35D-X3o

[Carana]

I know nothing about photoshopping but if Gerry had access to such an experienced camera expert/photoshopper - then why didn't he get him to make the photo appear to be taken in dull weather conditions? 

Two police forces have no problem with that last photo - only conspiracy theorists IMO.

I don't think that you're supposed to ask sensible questions, Benice. It detracts from the intergalactic conspiracy evidence.

[ferryman]

who said it was 60/70 miles away ....bit of an exaggeration there ..

.for a start...you are practically doubling it

Slightly high, but not practically double:

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=distance%20faro%20luz%20praia%20da%20luz

88 kilometres is just about 55 miles.

Of course the return trip would be 110 miles.

Possibly where the confusion about distances comes from ....

[ShiningInLuz]

It's still Sagres records v Hall's chart.  They don't match up.  One is wrong.



the charts R H showed were for PDL.....................the mccs where in PDL

Thursday is not confermed as being sunny all day ...as obviously the sunday was

...

Thanks to an earlier response by Blonk, I now have 3 major errors in that weather chart, plus an issue with the stated method of production.

I could have a stab at the source of these errors, but to prove it I would need to put major effort into finding the person Mr Hall states is the source, and my life is too short for such a futile exercise.

That weather chart is as real as The Hitler Diaries.

I want to move on to a couple of the other aspects surrounding the holiday photos, so I am done discussing weather charts.

[xtina]

I know nothing about photoshopping but if Gerry had access to such an experienced camera expert/photoshopper - then why didn't he get him to make the photo appear to be taken in dull weather conditions? 

Two police forces have no problem with that last photo - only conspiracy theorists IMO.

then why didn't he get him to make the photo appear to be taken in dull weather conditions? 


oh pleeese....what round a pool ...with sun hats  feet in pool bare arms ....

look at the photo would hardly look right in dull weather ...would it