Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[Benice]

your posts are showing your strong anti mccann bias in this case....when you talk of why the portuguese suspect the mccanns you fail to mention the lies told by amaral and the pj....that is a major...major omission and proves your bias...even if you are not aware of it...but I think you are

I'm not at all surprised that some Portuguese suspect the McCanns - as imo the same smear campaign was conducted against them as against Leonor Cipriano - which in her case resulted in a baying mob turning up at the court.

I wonder how many people still believe the McCanns and their friends were 'swingers'?  A disgusting smear which is still being claimed by some as a fact - 9 years later.

Mud sticks.

[xtina]

No one said anything when the photo came out,  surely anyone living around that area would have spotted the fact that Gerry had sunglasses on and the children were wearing sun hats?   It would look suspicious if the day the photo was taken was actually cold and cloudy wouldn't it.

If they said something now then no doubt they would be liars or in cahoots with the McCann's.

no one said it was cold ....

don't forget it was three weeks before the photo was released

No one said anything when the photo came out,  surely anyone living around that area would have spotted the fact that Gerry had sunglasses on and the children were wearing sun hats?   It would look suspicious if the day the photo was taken was actually cold and cloudy wouldn't it.



not if the photo had been taken on the Sunday ....

its obvious it was a hot day..when the photo was took

[xtina]

I used to think Smithman must be the abductor because otherwise he would have come forward.

However, having learned of the interrogation methods of the PJ - especially Tavares and  Amaral,  I do wonder whether this man was indeed an innocent father who had picked his child up - say from his mother's for instance and was simply carrying her home.     Would he want to come forward - or would he decide he wasn't going to risk it - because he knew the reputation of the PJ - and he knew all about the Cipriano case?

Normally one would expect the family of that child to be ringing the PJ saying - 'No that was my son picking his daughter up from my house - I'd been babysitting'  - or even his wife saying ' No that was my husband collecting our daughter from his moms.'      However if they were frightened of what might happen to their son/husband  - once he got inside a police station - then IMO they were far more likely to say   'No - keep out of it - or they might decide it was you'

The fact that Mrs Murat had a table set up specifically because she knew people were scared to go to the police with info  backs  up that possibility imo.

The more time that passed the harder it would be to come forward IMO.

I'm not claiming that is what happened but I'm sure it was a possibility which SY would not have dismissed out of hand.

I do wonder if there are other locals  - who even if they did have info - decided not to get involved for the same reason.

The fact that Mrs Murat had a table set up specifically because she knew people were scared to go to the police with info  backs  up that possibility imo.


i think  common sense wise ....you would know Mrs Murat was there to translate for the Brits...to say they feared PJ is a bit OTT

as for the locals ....they never saw anything of the mccs ...how could they ....they never went anywhere ...

[Mr Gray]

Total and utter rubbish. 

I would be more than happy to discuss the case with the McCanns, in a friendly and civil environment.  And I have explained recently where I would be happy to stand alongside Team McCann.

This was drivel, Davel.

anyone who talks of why the portuguese suspect the mccanns and fails to mention the lies told by amaral and the pj...even when reminded...cannot be taken seriously.......you do your credibility no favours with your post

[ShiningInLuz]

anyone who talks of why the portuguese suspect the mccanns and fails to mention the lies told by amaral and the pj...even when reminded...cannot be taken seriously.......you do your credibility no favours with your post

Yet more total rubbish.

Who do you think I am? Person 1.  Trying hard to present the arguments in favour and those against.  Or Person 2.  Trying hard to tell you the reality.

The reality is that opinion turned against the McCanns.  Do I have to quote Kate's book, chapter 13, The Tide Turns.

I have given you a small insight into Luz as it is today, as I find it.  If you think reality is otherwise, then over to you.

[Benice]

The fact that Mrs Murat had a table set up specifically because she knew people were scared to go to the police with info  backs  up that possibility imo.


i think  common sense wise ....you would know Mrs Murat was there to translate for the Brits...to say they feared PJ is a bit OTT

as for the locals ....they never saw anything of the mccs ...how could they ....they never went anywhere ...

I don't understand what you mean - are you saying Mrs  Murat set up her table simply to translate for the Brits and it was not for people who may have info but who did not want to go to the police?

Can you elucidate please.

[Lace]

no one said it was cold ....

don't forget it was three weeks before the photo was released

No one said anything when the photo came out,  surely anyone living around that area would have spotted the fact that Gerry had sunglasses on and the children were wearing sun hats?   It would look suspicious if the day the photo was taken was actually cold and cloudy wouldn't it.



not if the photo had been taken on the Sunday ....

its obvious it was a hot day..when the photo was took

The photo was shown to be the last photo of Madeleine,  surely people would look at that photo more intensely than if it was taken on the Sunday,   Amaral for instance,   then if the weather wasn't sunny at the time the photo was taken,  then it would be suspicious wouldn't it?

I really cannot imagine the McCann's bringing out the last photo of Madeleine for all to see and saying it was the last photo of her taken on the 3rd of May the day she disappeared if it was not sunny and the photo was taken on the Sunday.

[pathfinder73]

Whilst I was out sailing with Matt he fell in the water, I had to sail back to save him this made the day quite memorable that and it being the best day weather wise.  When we came back Jane was at the beach with the children, I recall that at some point around 17:00-17:30 Kate was out running she was dressed in her full running kit which was a vest and shorts- one item was grey and the other pale blue but I cannot say which way round. When Kate ran past on her run she didn’t speak to us, but she did acknowledge us as a group.

It was a warm day, good afternoon I recall that I went up to the social tennis around 18:00hours with Matt I think David went to the apartment and then up to Gerry’s.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUSSELL-OBRIEN_ROGATORY.htm

[xtina]

The photo was shown to be the last photo of Madeleine,  surely people would look at that photo more intensely than if it was taken on the Sunday,   Amaral for instance,   then if the weather wasn't sunny at the time the photo was taken,  then it would be suspicious wouldn't it?

I really cannot imagine the McCann's bringing out the last photo of Madeleine for all to see and saying it was the last photo of her taken on the 3rd of May the day she disappeared if it was not sunny and the photo was taken on the Sunday.

well causing confusement has always been the mccs aim ....

it was three weeks later it was shown out ..

.so there has to be a reason for that ....when they had it all the time...

and a very good likeness to maddie ....unlike the pic they gave that was of maddie very younger ...probably also to confuse...

[Lace]

well causing confusement has always been the mccs aim ....

it was three weeks later it was shown out ..

.so there has to be a reason for that ....when they had it all the time...

and a very good likeness to maddie ....unlike the pic they gave that was of maddie very younger ...probably also to confuse...

It wouldn't matter how much later it was shown,  the fact is it was called the last photo of Madeleine taken on the 3rd of May which would cause interest and much more scrutiny.

The photo shows a side view of Madeleine and she is not straight faced,  the police require a full face and nothing to obscure the details of the face.

[xtina]

It wouldn't matter how much later it was shown,  the fact is it was called the last photo of Madeleine taken on the 3rd of May which would cause interest and much more scrutiny.

The photo shows a side view of Madeleine and she is not straight faced,  the police require a full face and nothing to obscure the details of the face.

well i think you would find they would have asked for a recent photo ...

if we are speculating what they asked for ....

[xtina]

why was maddie taken back to the creche.........

when all her other friends went to the beach...how sad must that have been for her

why after the sunday ...did the mccs eat alone...in there apartment

the picnic lunch at the Payne's apartment ...why was maddie/twins not took there

where was they seen anywhere ..as a family of 5..after sunday



there is very little info ..in police files...or k mccs book of what the mccs  did with the children them six days  ...only what they did....it makes you wonder why they tool maddie/twins at all

why did they bother taking a camera ...to take five photo,s

[jassi]

The whole arrangements seem a little odd. Only the McCann children attended all the creche sessions - the rest of the group appear to have spent some time with their offspring during the day.

You would think that even if the McCann adults wanted to be off doing their own thing on the afternoon of the 3rd, the others would have been happy for the McCann children to tag along with the rest of the group.

Why did the McCanns eat alone at lunch-time? - well only they came answer that.

[Mr Gray]

Yet more total rubbish.

Who do you think I am? Person 1.  Trying hard to present the arguments in favour and those against.  Or Person 2.  Trying hard to tell you the reality.

The reality is that opinion turned against the McCanns.  Do I have to quote Kate's book, chapter 13, The Tide Turns.

I have given you a small insight into Luz as it is today, as I find it.  If you think reality is otherwise, then over to you.

I am well aware the tide turned
Because of the lies told by amaral and the PJ
Rather than refer to my post as rubbish why not answer the point raised
Is it because you cannot
The fact that you want to ignore the point destroys your credibility.... So carry on if you wish

[Alice Purjorick]

It wouldn't matter how much later it was shown,  the fact is it was called the last photo of Madeleine taken on the 3rd of May which would cause interest and much more scrutiny.

The photo shows a side view of Madeleine and she is not straight faced,  the police require a full face and nothing to obscure the details of the face.

Are you confusing the police with the passport office?