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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2016, 10:10:30 AM »
The video is being widely applauded on the sceptic sites.....showing these sites are inhabited by people who are very gullible and plainly barmy

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2016, 10:14:55 AM »
I bet you would be really happy if I told you what you believe. I would suggest you start thinking a little more and stop trying to put every viewpoint into one or two predefined boxes.
would suggest you stop trying to boss me about and actually address the question, rather than attack me.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2016, 10:16:20 AM »
No need for deflection. Hall's theory is crazy. Sadie's theory is also crazy. Hall's theory is, rightfully, being slated. Just pointed that it would be refreshing for supporters to so honest about Sadie's too.
which part of Hall's theory is crazy?  It would be interesting to know which bits you believe fall into the "crazy" category, and it would be on topic too - very novel!

Offline faithlilly

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2016, 11:20:44 AM »
which part of Hall's theory is crazy?  It would be interesting to know which bits you believe fall into the "crazy" category, and it would be on topic too - very novel!

TBH I haven't watched the new video as if the quality of Hall's 'investigative skills' are responsible for 'Sagres Man' from video 2 then I really don't see the point.  Of course being a sensible sort you must also know that Sadie's theory is nonsense even though you are too much of a gentleman to say so.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2016, 11:32:31 AM by Faithlilly »
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2016, 11:46:08 AM »
TBH I haven't watched the new video as if the quality of Hall's 'investigative skills' are responsible for 'Sagres Man' from video 2 then I really don't see the point.  Of course being a sensible sort you must also know that Sadie's theory is nonsense even though you are too much of a gentleman to say so.
If you want to discuss how nonsensical Sadie's theory is, I suggest you do so on the appropriate thread.  In the meantime, rather disappointed that you don't want to discuss the specific craziness inherent in Richard Hall's latest vid.  Oh well, I'll have to learn to live with the disappointment somehow... 8(8-))

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2016, 11:58:20 AM »
I don't know why he thinks Fenn's burglar was climbing out a 15 foot high window when there's one by the front door with no drop. A burglar would surely try that easy access window not spiderman up the wall into a 15 foot high window. Richard Hall should use some common sense. To believe that everyone can cover up Madeleine not existing for nearly a week is so ridiculous it doesn't require any further comments. There is PE who has a pic of Madeleine in the background taken on the 3 May. I hope the police release it just to shut these people up about nonsense conspiracy theories.

"Therefore, I can confirm that whatever information I had (including some photos of my sons taken on the day Madeleine disappeared, which showed her in the background) was passed both to the police and to the McCanns at the time." (PE)
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

stephen25000

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2016, 12:07:27 PM »
If you want to discuss how nonsensical Sadie's theory is, I suggest you do so on the appropriate thread.  In the meantime, rather disappointed that you don't want to discuss the specific craziness inherent in Richard Hall's latest vid.  Oh well, I'll have to learn to live with the disappointment somehow... 8(8-))

Well he and Sadie seem to have similar beliefs. 8**8:/:

Offline faithlilly

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2016, 12:24:28 PM »
If you want to discuss how nonsensical Sadie's theory is, I suggest you do so on the appropriate thread.  In the meantime, rather disappointed that you don't want to discuss the specific craziness inherent in Richard Hall's latest vid.  Oh well, I'll have to learn to live with the disappointment somehow... 8(8-))

You will indeed Alfie ☺️
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2016, 12:45:42 PM »
You will indeed Alfie ☺️
Disappointingly small emoticon there too - what is it supposed to denote?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2016, 02:44:20 PM »
If TB is RH's source for this then he needs to get his facts straight. They left for the tapas area at 4:45 each day for tea until 5:30. They didn't stay at the main reception until that time. Tapas staff saw Madeleine at the tapas area having tea. There is no cover up death all week and Pamela Fenn being involved..... Gerry collected the twins at 4:45. They joined Madeleine who comes with their nannies to the tapas area for tea. Kate was running as seen by others on the beach. She came back at 5:25/30 where she signed the kids out. The creche records are signed out at the tapas eating area not the main reception. This oversight is incredible!
« Last Edit: February 21, 2016, 02:47:31 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #100 on: February 21, 2016, 02:58:24 PM »
So...

Zapping past the Polish guy who he states was holidaying in PdL (which he wasn't), he backtracks over the timeline.

- He doesn't believe Matt ever went to check, mainly because he got the colour of the curtains wrong (forgetting that the room would have been dark aside from the small amount of light coming in via the shutter slats and the lamp in the living-room).

- Dave Payne's a close friend, so he doesn't count.

- He trots out the tabloid story of Madeleine and Gerry dancing at Paraiso and describes the owner, Miguel Matias, as a "serial conman and fraudster", forgetting that the rest of the T7 were there, as proven by CCTV, just not the McCanns. I've no idea where he got that allegation about the Paraiso owner from, but it's a serious accusation if not true.

- A blurb about the senior investigator who coordinated the original investigation (he forget that he only did so for 5 months), Dr "Gonchalo" Amaral, and his assertion that she died on the night of 3 May, etc.

- He then cites TdeA's interim report that the last time anyone outside of the group who could prove they'd seen her was at about 5:35 when her parents went to pick her up at the crèche. (The same report that wrongly states that Gerry is a cardiovascual surgeon and that Eddie alerted to the boot.)

The cite on the video is in quotation marks, but it does not correspond to what TdeA wrote, which was:
"After getting the children from the Children's centres and the creche they went to the apartment, little after 17:35h.

But' Kate went running for half an hour at the beach and then went to the apartment and' Gerald went to play tennis."


I can't find any reference in TdeA's report about nannies seeing her at that time.

Oh... and by the way, I have no idea who the person in the photo is on Havern's that he used, but it looks nothing like TdeA.

- He then examines the testimony of the "two crèche nannies", Charlotte & Cat, (he'd only mentioned one earlier). (I have no idea why he mention Charlotte... but anyway.)

Cat does indeed state:

"When asked, the informant responds that it was always the parents who brought Madeleine and fetched her from the "Mini Club."


But she also stated (concerning the general arrangements):

The child is delivered in the morning by one of the parents who also picks him or her up at lunch time. Some of the children return for the afternoon session which includes accompanying them to "high tea" at around 5H in the afternoon.


Further on:

(...)

Either Kate or Gerry would accompany Madeleine every day in the morning and would return at lunch hour to take her back. I met Gerry more often as he would drop Madeleine off with greater frequency than Kate. I also remember that Kate was present for High Tea accompanied by the twins between 5H and 5H30 in the afternoon.

Most of the time in which I saw the family together, the children would be eating.


(...)


On Thursday the 3rd of May 2007, I remember Gerry having accompanied Madeleine to the club between 9h15 and 9h20 in the morning. I do not remember who came to pick her up for lunch but after she returned in the afternoon for a dive/swim. These activities were realized with the other children. On this day I remember that we sailed and I saw friends of the McCanns on the beach, David and Jane. Around 14h45 Madeleine returned to the Minis Club on top of the reception but I do not remember who accompanied her. This afternoon we went swimming. Kate went to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics. It was around 15h25/18h00. I think that Gerry was playing tennis.


Rog

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm


For some reason he doesn't appear aware of the fact, although it is mentioned in several statements, that children who attend the afternoon activities are taken by the nannies to the Tapas restaurant area for 5 pm where they have high tea, and that the parents sign them out when they've finished their meal.




[A different nanny]She says that in spite the fact that both of the toddlers groups were in the same building and that both the twins were in Toddlers 2, she only had contact with Madeleine's parents twice when they came collect the twins after their meal, which happened every day at about 17.30, this contact also being brief and formal "just saying good afternoon".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JACQUELINE_WILLIAMS.htm


Maria Manuela Antonia Jose (Tapas Restaurant cook)

Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_JOSE.htm


We took Evie back up because if they stay in the kids club the nannies bring them for tea and then you can pick them up from tea

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE_TANNER_RIGATORY.htm

There is then a spiel that he finds it suspicious that Kate had prearranged for Gerry to collect M from the Lobster crèche... The afternoon crèche records show a five-minute difference in the signing out by Kate, but he finds it suspicious that Kate didn't mention in her book about arranging for Gerry to first collect the twins.


Erm... That's because the NANNIES took the children to the Tapas restaurant for tea and they get signed out from there after their high tea.

The weekly activity sheet shows that activities at the actual crèche HQ end at @5pm, whereupon the kids are taken to tea and the parents join them there and sign them out from there.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P4/04_VOLUME_IVa_Page_873.jpg

Not sure I can cope with much more of this for the moment. I've got up to 34:00 so far.

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #101 on: February 21, 2016, 03:00:06 PM »
If TB is RH's source for this then he needs to get his facts straight. They left for the tapas area at 4:45 each day for tea until 5:30. They didn't stay at the main reception until that time. Tapas staff saw Madeleine at the tapas area having tea. There is no cover up death all week and Pamela Fenn being involved..... Gerry collected the twins at 4:45. They joined Madeleine who comes with their nannies to the tapas area for tea. Kate was running as seen by others on the beach. She came back at 5:25/30 where she signed the kids out. The creche records are signed out at the tapas eating area not the main reception. This oversight is incredible!

LOL It's not often we agree.


Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #102 on: February 21, 2016, 03:07:25 PM »
If TB is RH's source for this then he needs to get his facts straight. They left for the tapas area at 4:45 each day for tea until 5:30. They didn't stay at the main reception until that time. Tapas staff saw Madeleine at the tapas area having tea. There is no cover up death all week and Pamela Fenn being involved..... Gerry collected the twins at 4:45. They joined Madeleine who comes with their nannies to the tapas area for tea. Kate was running as seen by others on the beach. She came back at 5:25/30 where she signed the kids out. The creche records are signed out at the tapas eating area not the main reception. This oversight is incredible!

Exactly.  Thank you for saying that better than I could.

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #103 on: February 21, 2016, 03:11:50 PM »
- For some reason he finds it highly likely that M disappeared prior to the end of tea because Kate stated that she carried M home, when - according to him - it should have been Gerry carrying her, ergo they only went home with the twins.  &%+((£

it also goes on to cite newspaper articles, with descriptions or reported cites from generally unidentified sources.

And this is supposed to be a "forensic" analysis?.... Hmmm.   &%+((£

Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #104 on: February 21, 2016, 03:18:50 PM »
I think 'forensic analysis' is probably a front-runner for this year's Bullshit awards.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future