Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[Benice]

I asked that a while back Benice but got no reply,   David Payne doesn't say he sat down in his statement.

Indeed Lace.      IMO Kate thinking that he stood outside the door and Dr Payne thinking that he stood inside the door is not a significant discrepancy.      However the difference between KM remembering him standing at the door and  Dr Payne recalling that he walked in and then actually went and sat down is a more serious contradiction.   

Bonk made this claim in his reply to me soundly rejecting my own post in which I pointed out that discrepancies can be accounted for by the proven fallibility of memory. 

I'm sure Bonk did not deliberately lie when he claimed Dr Payne sat down in the apartment.

Therefore I can only assume that his claim must have come from his own memory of what Dr. Payne had said.    There is no evidence that Dr Payne claimed to have sat down in 5A whilst talking to Kate  - and therefore in making that erroneous claim -  Bonk has himself effectively proved the fallibility of memory to which I referred.

AIMO

[pathfinder73]

There are too many contradictions. This was only hours before she disappeared and they both have completely different recollections. A detective would think they're probably hiding something.

[xtina]

@ benice

Indeed Lace.      IMO Kate thinking that he stood outside the door and Dr Payne thinking that he stood inside the door is not a significant discrepancy.      However the difference between KM remembering him standing at the door and  Dr Payne recalling that he walked in and then actually went and sat down is a more serious contradiction.   

does it matter fgs...[kept you awake has it]....he went in didn't he...she said he never ....he cant remember what she wore ...it would only have been a towel or a robe.
[i did mean to put this in your post ..but it never worked] so

strange how this line of questioning was mentioned..... seems as if for some reason he thought there were problems....why would he mention non of the children been told off...obviously he is referring to something ....he said he knows the family well ....so why the over kill ...of the perfect  family...wouldn't he have always seen them like that ....there obviously had been trouble at some point with the mccs ...not the happy family they like you all to think


  00:39:55 Reply "But err certainly enough time just to see, you know, certainly the apartment, there was nothing that was untoward, that was you know err the children all looked extremely happy,

there was no, you know signs of any problems with err you know Kate, you know or indeed the relationship that Kate had got with any of the three children. None of the children had been told off, none of the children looked like they were you know in trouble for anything, you know they were err still all talking and playing around. Err so you know it was just a very err transient you know that I'd gone in there, but as I say it just struck me how well they all looked.'

[Benice]

There are too many contradictions. This was only hours before she disappeared and they both have completely different recollections. A detective would think they're probably hiding something.

Obviously they didn't think that as they have been ruled out of the investigation.      A detective would recognise and take into account that  they were being asked to recall a few minutes out of a whole day's activities and which carried no importance at all at the time.      They would expect discrepancies.

This is the view of the police on discrepancies in statements from people witnessing the same event.

Quote from DC Ferguson

4078    “You know, we can take a statement from people, if an incident happened outside and there was a group of people watching it, everybody would have a different take on what they had seen”.
Unquote.


     

[xtina]

Obviously they didn't think that as they have been ruled out of the investigation.      A detective would recognise and take into account that  they were being asked to recall a few minutes out of a whole day's activities and which carried no importance at all at the time.      They would expect discrepancies.

This is the view of the police on discrepancies in statements from people witnessing the same event.

Quote from DC Ferguson

4078    “You know, we can take a statement from people, if an incident happened outside and there was a group of people watching it, everybody would have a different take on what they had seen”.
Unquote.


   

or maybe he was just relieved all was well ...... there wasn't the trouble he was expecting .....after all he knows the family well .....

[pathfinder73]

Obviously they didn't think that as they have been ruled out of the investigation.      A detective would recognise and take into account that  they were being asked to recall a few minutes out of a whole day's activities and which carried no importance at all at the time.      They would expect discrepancies.

This is the view of the police on discrepancies in statements from people witnessing the same event.

Quote from DC Ferguson

4078    “You know, we can take a statement from people, if an incident happened outside and there was a group of people watching it, everybody would have a different take on what they had seen”.
Unquote.


   

Nobody is ruled out of anything in an unsolved case. Stop the circus statement explains it.

[Eleanor]

or maybe he was just relieved all was well ...... there wasn't the trouble he was expecting .....after all he knows the family well .....

What do you think he was expecting?  Battered children lying about all over the place?

[Benice]

Nobody is ruled out of anything in an unsolved case. Stop the circus statement explains it.

If you want to believe that a statement saying that neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest actually means the McCanns and their friends ARE suspects and persons of interest - then that's not my problem

I see you have ignored the part of my post relating to the fallibility of memory being a proven cause for discrepancies.

[stephen25000]

If you want to believe that a statement saying that neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest actually means the McCanns and their friends ARE suspects and persons of interest - then that's not my problem

I see you have ignored the part of my post relating to the fallibility of memory being a proven cause for discrepancies.

So Benice, people who have been 'ruled out of a crime' could not be ruled back in.

Is that what you are saying ?

[pathfinder73]

If you want to believe that a statement saying that neither the McCanns nor their friends are suspects or persons of interest actually means the McCanns and their friends ARE suspects and persons of interest - then that's not my problem

I see you have ignored the part of my post relating to the fallibility of memory being a proven cause for discrepancies.

The PJ also said it in August 2007 when they were suspects. It means nothing. The police will tell you what they want you to know and nothing more!

[pathfinder73]

A case of national security and 11 million and counting  &%+((£

After a six month delay, Leicestershire has now claimed it is exempt from Freedom of Information laws in this case due to "national security".
 
I've put in dozens of FoI requests to police forces over the years, some you get and some you don't but "national security" is a new one on me.

[stephen25000]

A case of national security and 11 million and counting  &%+((£

After a six month delay, Leicestershire has now claimed it is exempt from Freedom of Information laws in this case due to "national security".
 
I've put in dozens of FoI requests to police forces over the years, some you get and some you don't but "national security" is a new one on me.

National Security ???

What the hell for ?

After all, the mccanns are merely doctors and there are plenty of them around.

[pathfinder73]

National Security ???

What the hell for ?

After all, the mccanns are merely doctors and there are plenty of them around.

This sounds like a high profile murder case like BHH couldn't stop himself saying.

[stephen25000]

This sounds like a high profile murder case like BHH couldn't stop himself saying.

That Freudian slip of BHH springs to mind, on the case AND THE DOSSIER handed to the Police by the mccanns.

[xtina]

What do you think he was expecting?  Battered children lying about all over the place?

now you said that ....not me ..

he seemed rather pleased ...everything was fine ....

makes you think why g mcc asked him to go in the first place ...