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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #435 on: March 01, 2016, 10:10:39 AM »
This is a very novel approach to analysing the evidence - namely speculating on what the sailing instructors 'would have' said. I had understood that speculation was generally frowned upon in this forum.

Far better, surely, to stick to the actual evidence, which comes primarily from a report by Inspector Pinho, who actually did a reconstruction of the alleged events of the morning of Thursday 3 May, taking the two sailing instructors, Alice Standley and Chris Unworth, with him.

The two instructors were specifically asked if anyone else was with them on the sailing trips and they confirmed that it was just the two of them and the children from the creche. They made no mention of Catriona Baker, the Lobsters crèche nanny, being there, allegedly accompanying the children to the beach.

Moreover, they referred to two boats each taking three children; that makes six children in all going sailing on Thursday morning.

But seven were signed into the crèche that day - including Madeleine.

The statements weren't released so you too are merely speculating about them not knowing Madeleine. Your theory has zero credibility. This is a simple game of hide and seek. Smithman hid it and SY need to find it.

Madeleine was too scared to sail for the first time in her life and her mother was talking about paedos instead at the pool.

"There was one occasion, on Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, around 10H30 in the morning, where she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing. She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap "I am scared, I am scared." We only used the launches to transport the children to the small yellow boats. When we returned to the other boat she was happy again. She sailed in the small boat and even though some children had the opportunity to return to the port, she stayed for a second time as she appeared to be having a good time."
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 10:12:52 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #436 on: March 01, 2016, 10:17:25 AM »
This is a very novel approach to analysing the evidence - namely speculating on what the sailing instructors 'would have' said. I had understood that speculation was generally frowned upon in this forum.

Far better, surely, to stick to the actual evidence, which comes primarily from a report by Inspector Pinho, who actually did a reconstruction of the alleged events of the morning of Thursday 3 May, taking the two sailing instructors, Alice Standley and Chris Unworth, with him.

The two instructors were specifically asked if anyone else was with them on the sailing trips and they confirmed that it was just the two of them and the children from the creche. They made no mention of Catriona Baker, the Lobsters crèche nanny, being there, allegedly accompanying the children to the beach.

Moreover, they referred to two boats each taking three children; that makes six children in all going sailing on Thursday morning.

But seven were signed into the crèche that day - including Madeleine.

And yours is a very old discredited approach ..... Say what you want and challenge others to prove you wrong
The celestial teapot .... Or crackpot as I prefer

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #437 on: March 01, 2016, 10:19:09 AM »
Q: Have you considered the possibility that Madeleine died on the previous night or even when Mrs. Fenn heard the crying?
 
GA: Naturally - the investigation begins with establishing if the person who disappeared, does actually exist and then, who was the last person to see her - the investigation shows clearly that she was last seen around 17.30.
 
Q: Have you any doubt as to the validity of Madeleine attending the creche on 3/5?
 
GA: No doubt whatsoever.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Erngath

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #438 on: March 01, 2016, 10:19:57 AM »
I don't think they did lie as such, they just made their testimony so vague, woolly and contradictory  that police couldn't make sense of it.


Do you think they all as a group planned to make their testimony so vague, woolly and contradictory to help in a cover up?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #439 on: March 01, 2016, 10:21:47 AM »

Do you think they all as a group planned to make their testimony so vague, woolly and contradictory to help in a cover up?

I do, but of course, that is just my opinion  ?{)(**
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #440 on: March 01, 2016, 10:27:21 AM »
Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo.....

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CECILIA-DFC.htm

statement proved wrong...so it could have been elle....  maddie was mistaken for..... 

Boyde family ......did they ever make a statement to police ...or was it just to a cheap  magazine

were they staying at the Ocean Club or did they have a just visitor pass for the pool

who was the man who gave a photo to the police with maddie in the background ....where is the photo

Elisa Dias Romao - Claimed seeing Madeleine at times she was not there.(according to creche records)

Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira Cleaner - Saw them twice leaving Millenium about 9.30 - 10am - They didn't go to Millenium for breakfast

Catriona Baker - Non credible with her statement riddled with discrepancies as well as her trip to visit the McCanns in Rothley does not help with credibility.

Alice Stanley & Chris Unsworth - Took children sailing May 3rd - Apparently no formal statements from them-


Bridget O'Donnell - Jez Wilkins partner - Claimed 'all pretty in pink' for the mini tennis with the Sharks on Thursday...Madeleine's group played on Tuesday, so she was mistaken that Madeleine may have been there.

Miguel Matias - Owner of Paraiso - Was convinced he saw Madeleine dancing with her daddy and on his shoulders but we KNOW Madeleine was not there...he mistakenly thought another child was Madeleine.




can anyone find anything to prove maddie was seen after the sunday.........or do they ...THINK they saw maddie

Forgot to say Philip Edmonds was the man who give police a  photograph of his children with Madeleine in the background,  as to where is it,  it's with the Police,   why would they show a photograph belonging to someone who is not belonging to the McCann family to the public?   I would want my family photo kept confidential too.

Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #441 on: March 01, 2016, 10:42:20 AM »
Q: Have you considered the possibility that Madeleine died on the previous night or even when Mrs. Fenn heard the crying?
 
GA: Naturally - the investigation begins with establishing if the person who disappeared, does actually exist and then, who was the last person to see her - the investigation shows clearly that she was last seen around 17.30.
 
Q: Have you any doubt as to the validity of Madeleine attending the creche on 3/5?

GA: No doubt whatsoever.

An assertion made by Goncalo Amaral based on his faith that Catriona Baker was telling him the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

An assertion which looks less and less likely the more you study all of Cat Baker's statements in depth 

Offline Erngath

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #442 on: March 01, 2016, 10:43:50 AM »
I do, but of course, that is just my opinion  ?{)(**

That would be very difficult to plan.
Can't imagine how those conversations would go...........you say x and I will say y.

You say this and I will say that.

Let's confuse the police and all of them agreed on this and all helping one couple to cover up this tragedy.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Benice

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #443 on: March 01, 2016, 10:45:33 AM »
Forgot to say Philip Edmonds was the man who give police a  photograph of his children with Madeleine in the background,  as to where is it,  it's with the Police,   why would they show a photograph belonging to someone who is not belonging to the McCann family to the public?   I would want my family photo kept confidential too.

If it had been shown to the public - it would have been dismissed as photoshopped by some sceptics - and Mr Edmonds would have been accused of being yet another person who was party to this massive conspiracy.

While it remains undisclosed sceptics can convince themselves that it doesn't exist and Mr Edmonds is lying about it   - because he is party to this massive conspiracy. 

So damned if he does and damned if he doesn't imo.   



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #444 on: March 01, 2016, 10:46:14 AM »
Forgot to say Philip Edmonds was the man who gave [sp.] police a photograph of his children with Madeleine in the background, as to where is it, it's with the Police...

Let's get some accuracy here.

Your statement above should read:

Philip Edmonds was the man who says he gave police a photograph of his children with Madeleine in the background.

Have the police confirmed receipt of this alleged photograph?

NO

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #445 on: March 01, 2016, 10:50:26 AM »
Let's get some accuracy here.

Your statement above should read:

Philip Edmonds was the man who says he gave police a photograph of his children with Madeleine in the background.

Have the police confirmed receipt of this alleged photograph?

NO

Another person who is lying then blonk,  who just happened to be on holiday the same time as the McCann's.

Why would the police say they have confirmed receipt of this photograph?   just to please you maybe?

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #446 on: March 01, 2016, 10:51:34 AM »
An assertion made by Goncalo Amaral based on his faith that Catriona Baker was telling him the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

An assertion which looks less and less likely the more you study all of Cat Baker's statements in depth

Are you suggesting that the Tapas cook wasn't telling the truth either?
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg312289#msg312289

Offline lordpookles

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #447 on: March 01, 2016, 10:53:14 AM »
Let's get some accuracy here.

Your statement above should read:

Philip Edmonds was the man who says he gave police a photograph of his children with Madeleine in the background.

Have the police confirmed receipt of this alleged photograph?

NO

I see this conspiracy is getting even larger. Why would they confirm to me or you? Meanwhile, this would just be another member of this growing conspiracy? Also, this man would lie by saying he had provided this photo knowing the police know he did not?

Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #448 on: March 01, 2016, 10:54:44 AM »
That would be very difficult to plan.
Can't imagine how those conversations would go...........you say x and I will say y.

You say this and I will say that.

Let's confuse the police and all of them agreed on this and all helping one couple to cover up this tragedy.

I think you exaggerate the degree of difficulty, but that's OK, it's not my role in life to persuade you otherwise.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #449 on: March 01, 2016, 10:55:15 AM »
An assertion made by Goncalo Amaral based on his faith that Catriona Baker was telling him the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

An assertion which looks less and less likely the more you study all of Cat Baker's statements in depth

What nonsense. They investigate a lot more than you know. Your theory is madness. You can't make a girl disappear all week when she was seen by many nannies.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.