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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #480 on: March 01, 2016, 12:24:53 PM »

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #481 on: March 01, 2016, 12:27:34 PM »
This all beings us back to the question of the paucity of photographs of Madeleine that week.

Leaving aside for a moment the two very controversial photos - the 'Last Photo' and the 'Tennis Balls' photo, which miraculously seems to have been taken on two different days by two different people - what are we left with? - just three, all obviously taken on the late Saturday afternoon just after they arrived in Praia da Luz.

Another matter to put into the mix regarding the photographs is that Gerry and Kate McCann didn't allow the PJ to look at their original photographs.

No, they preferred the route of summoning up their cousin Michael Wright from Skipton and no less a person than the Head of Risk for one of the world's leading - and most controversial and notorious - PR agencies, Alex Woolfall of Bell Pottinger.

To do what?

To view, select, delete, amend, omit and crop all their photographs on their SD card(s), and put what was left of them on to two CDs, handing them into the PJ on Wednesday 9 May. The result was the useless 'grey-scale' images we see in the PJ files.

And why exactly was the Head of Risk for Bell Pottinger out in Praia da Luz on Friday 4 May anyway? Madeleine could have been found alive and well as he was flying out from Gatwick to Faro.   

Undoubtedly there is a very deep mystery about the photographs taken on that holiday                 

There are so many allegations in this post that it's hard to know where to start.

Could you please substantiate them?

- What's controversial about the "last photo"? Do you have a problem that the Sagres weather charts indicating a pleasant sunny day are more likely to represent the local weather than Faro? ETA: Where exactly did that weather chart come from? Not clear.

- The "tennis" photo: various people would have been taking photos. Kate said she took that one: please provide evidence that she didn't. The tennis instructor appears clear which day it was.

- The "paucity" of photos: how do you know how many photos were taken? If some were not useful (e.g., Madeleine seen from behind playing with the twins, or any that may have been out of focus, there would be no reason to publicise those).

- Which are the 3 other photos in question?

- Re Alex Woolfall of Bell Pottinger coming out to PdL: who is the "they" that you refer to?

I'll leave this point for a separate post:
- "To view, select, delete, amend, omit and crop all their photographs on their SD card(s), and put what was left of them on to two CDs, handing them into the PJ on Wednesday 9 May. The result was the useless 'grey-scale' images we see in the PJ files."
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 12:40:18 PM by Carana »

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #482 on: March 01, 2016, 12:50:57 PM »
Lilly? How could the cook have mistaken Lilly for Madeleine? Did you mean Ella?

Which other girl could she have mistaken her for? Ella went to the Paraiso with the T7.


see how easy it is to confuse children.......lilly was David Payne's daughter

Maria M A Jose - saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant.
The cook at the tapas was one of the 'credible' witnesses that 'saw' Madeleine at 16.30 Thursday May 3.

 regarding the statement of Maria Manuela Antonia José Tapas Cook who has been considered as a reliable witness seeing Madeleine at 16.30 on May 3rd.

Reading her statement she refers to recognising Madeleine from the photo (of younger maddie)...on the television
 
the one the mccs first gave to police ...18 month old pic ...making maddie 18 months younger
Image.....for some reason unable to copy pic ...but it is on the link

https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=sbi%3AAMhZZiuVjUijFCzyRhItvurl-5ZVfp_1Cqy9Qa7mPoCZb6zcvNR9EQn0M51ayqVvV7pQAF8PY0hTmemEPDzGFVZFMrQxV1xOF32Y6Tz1L-anGQlcmeZojK-s480LvbJlYXRoUlFl

http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/14/38/83/10/mbm10.jpg

seeing her during the day in the creche next to the restaurant (tapas)

maddie...... was not in that creche...but Lilly was!


Quote:

Dave would take Lilly over to the kids club which was back near the, behind the Tapas Bar area”.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 01:28:40 PM by xtina »
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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #483 on: March 01, 2016, 01:42:14 PM »


Out of interest, is there a transcript of Hall's narration?
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 01:53:54 PM by Eleanor »

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #484 on: March 01, 2016, 01:47:44 PM »


At most charitable, what Davel quoted is incompetent research.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 01:54:55 PM by Eleanor »

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #485 on: March 01, 2016, 01:48:42 PM »
Thank you. I agree that this is evidence.

How persuasive it is, is another matter entirely.

Does she say she instructed the children to go to another court to collect up all the tennis balls used by the adults? - No.

How likely is it that adults could have been hitting adult tennis balls at speeds of 100 mph or more on the tennis court right next to where the children were playing mini-tennis?

Is there any personal recollection of how Madeleine did in the mini-tennis session? - No.

Madeleine and Ella were playing mini tennis in an adjoining court,  at the end of the session the children were asked to run around and pick up as many tennis balls as they could.

Your adults hitting balls at speeds of 100 mph is very exaggerated,   they were in an adjoining court not right next to them.

Though everything needs to be exaggerated,  or everyone mistaken for your purpose doesn't it.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 01:56:28 PM by Eleanor »

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #486 on: March 01, 2016, 01:54:30 PM »
the camera also took pride of place on the table in the mccs apartment......strange how it was not used ...

k mcc ran back for it to take the tennis photo..not sure if maddie had to stand there holding ..them balls

the mccs were not credably seen any where after the sunday .....even eating alone when the others were having picnics at Payne's apartment ...yet Payne was there friend

maddie left in the creche when the rest were on the beach ....even Elle was took out ...maddies best friend ...yet that was the best day of maddies life according to k mcc

madeleine said 'I've had the best day ever,  I'm having lots and lots of fun'   kids say things like that doesn't mean it was the best day of her life,  she had been on a boat which must have been exciting for her.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #487 on: March 01, 2016, 01:58:19 PM »
Madeleine and Ella were playing mini tennis in an adjoining court,  at the end of the session the children were asked to run around and pick up as many tennis balls as they could.

Your adults hitting balls at speeds of 100 mph is very exaggerated,   they were in an adjoining court not right next to them.

Though everything needs to be exaggerated,  or everyone mistaken for your purpose doesn't it.


tennis balls at 100 mph.......it tells us who the mystery person was...Andy Murray

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #488 on: March 01, 2016, 02:00:24 PM »

see how easy it is to confuse children.......lilly was David Payne's daughter

Maria M A Jose - saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant.
The cook at the tapas was one of the 'credible' witnesses that 'saw' Madeleine at 16.30 Thursday May 3.

 regarding the statement of Maria Manuela Antonia José Tapas Cook who has been considered as a reliable witness seeing Madeleine at 16.30 on May 3rd.

Reading her statement she refers to recognising Madeleine from the photo (of younger maddie)...on the television
 
the one the mccs first gave to police ...18 month old pic ...making maddie 18 months younger
Image.....for some reason unable to copy pic ...but it is on the link

https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbs=sbi%3AAMhZZiuVjUijFCzyRhItvurl-5ZVfp_1Cqy9Qa7mPoCZb6zcvNR9EQn0M51ayqVvV7pQAF8PY0hTmemEPDzGFVZFMrQxV1xOF32Y6Tz1L-anGQlcmeZojK-s480LvbJlYXRoUlFl

http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/14/38/83/10/mbm10.jpg

seeing her during the day in the creche next to the restaurant (tapas)

maddie...... was not in that creche...but Lilly was!


Quote:

Dave would take Lilly over to the kids club which was back near the, behind the Tapas Bar area”.

I haven't read anywhere that Madeleine was one and a half in the first photo given to the Police,   she looks like the one taken the Christmas before in the red dress where she would have been four months or so short of being four.

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #489 on: March 01, 2016, 02:03:58 PM »
One thing at a time.

Is Blonk happy with the weather charts from some unspecified location that is not the nearest to PdL, which would have been Sagres? I did try to find charts for Lagos as well, but without success.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM by Carana »

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #490 on: March 01, 2016, 02:07:56 PM »
I haven't read anywhere that Madeleine was one and a half in the first photo given to the Police,   she looks like the one taken the Christmas before in the red dress where she would have been four months or so short of being four.


who said maddie was one and a half..........i said the pic was 18 months old ....

so what anyway ....just because ..YOU haven't  read something ...does that make it untrue.

i was not on about the red dress one ......they were the posters ....again though ...they did not even look like maddie as she was ..did they ...
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #491 on: March 01, 2016, 02:15:28 PM »
I believe the first poster showed her in red and white spotted pyjamas.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #492 on: March 01, 2016, 02:17:20 PM »
Did you see my (repeated) question about the Tapas cook who saw her at high tea on 3 May? She couldn't have mistaken her for Ella as Ella had gone to the Paraiso, and the only two other children of that age group were boys.

Research, research, research gives you facts not opinions!

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Totman L                              3 years
O'Brien E
Reap H                                 3 years
O'Donnel/Wilkins O                3 years
Carpenter I                           3 years
Weinburger E                        3 years
Foster E                               3 years
Naylor E                               3 years
Mills L                                   3 years
McCann M
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we would joke about the fact that there were 10 blonde three-year-old girls in the group. They were bound to boss around the two boys.
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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #493 on: March 01, 2016, 02:17:53 PM »

who said maddie was one and a half..........i said the pic was 18 months old ....

so what anyway ....just because ..YOU haven't  read something ...does that make it untrue.

i was not on about the red dress one ......they were the posters ....again though ...they did not even look like maddie as she was ..did they ...

I don't follow, Xtina. Perhaps Blonk could explain.

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #494 on: March 01, 2016, 02:20:52 PM »
Research, research, research gives you facts not opinions!

Berry J                                 4 years
Patel T                                 4 years
Totman L                              3 years
O'Brien E
Reap H                                 3 years
O'Donnel/Wilkins O                3 years
Carpenter I                           3 years
Weinburger E                        3 years
Foster E                               3 years
Naylor E                               3 years
Mills L                                   3 years
McCann M
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARRIVALS.htm


we would joke about the fact that there were 10 blonde three-year-old girls in the group. They were bound to boss around the two boys.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann

How is the arrivals schedule related to which children were present at the Tapas high-tea on 3 May?