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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #555 on: March 02, 2016, 01:04:34 PM »
In contrast, here is the sunshine chart of FARO

(Same chart, but "Faro" had got clipped out and I don't see how to substitute the second one in place of the first one, in which the name wasn't visible.)

Cancel that... I just worked out how to delete the first one that didn't show the location properly.
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Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #556 on: March 02, 2016, 01:20:48 PM »
In contrast, here is the sunshine chart of FARO

(Same chart, but "Faro" had got clipped out and I don't see how to substitute the second one in place of the first one, in which the name wasn't visible.)

Cancel that... I just worked out how to delete the first one that didn't show the location properly.


so look at the third of may then .that's the bit in the middle......practically no sunshine.....1 hour if that...

and it shows the difference to the 28 th and 29th april.....how hot them two days was
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 01:24:51 PM by xtina »
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #557 on: March 02, 2016, 01:23:54 PM »
Does any bright spark have the link to the video of the McCanns on the morning of 4 May, when they were being taken by the police to Portimão to give statements?

ETA John has put all this stuff in the video library, and a copy of the relevant video is linked in.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 01:34:26 PM by ShiningInLuz »
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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #558 on: March 02, 2016, 01:24:35 PM »

so look at the third of may then .......practically no sunshine.....1 hour if that....

Xtina... I've just gone to the trouble of posting sunshine charts of Sagres (much closer to PdL and to the west) and one from Faro, which is somewhat further to the east.

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Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #559 on: March 02, 2016, 04:16:53 PM »

so look at the third of may then - that's the bit in the middle...practically no sunshine...1 hour if that...

and it shows the difference to the 28th and 29th April...how hot them two days was
I am also struggling to understand this chart with the yellow bars, but it looks to me as though it is in perfect harmony with Hall's film, viz.,

Saturday 28 April - SUNNY ALL DAY
Sunday 29 April - SUNNY ALL DAY
Monday 30 April - NO SUN
Tuesday 1 May - NO SUN
Wednesday 2 May - NO SUN
Thursday 3 MAY - ONLY 1 HOUR OF SUN

Looking at that, I would say that Hall has actually understated the contrast between Sunday and Thursday.

Where are your Sagres charts? I can't find them

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #560 on: March 02, 2016, 04:37:29 PM »
I am also struggling to understand this chart with the yellow bars, but it looks to me as though it is in perfect harmony with Hall's film, viz.,

Saturday 28 April - SUNNY ALL DAY
Sunday 29 April - SUNNY ALL DAY
Monday 30 April - NO SUN
Tuesday 1 May - NO SUN
Wednesday 2 May - NO SUN
Thursday 3 MAY - ONLY 1 HOUR OF SUN

Looking at that, I would say that Hall has actually understated the contrast between Sunday and Thursday.

Where are your Sagres charts? I can't find them

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.msg312546#msg312546

http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/city?LANG=en&WMO=08533&ART=SON&CONT=euro&R=150&LEVEL=150&REGION=0005&LAND=__&NOREGION=1&MOD=&TMX=&TMN=&SON=&PRE=&MONAT=&OFFS=&SORT=&MM=05&YY=2007&WEEK=8
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #561 on: March 02, 2016, 04:42:51 PM »
Right, so we know Sagres was sunny and Faro not, where does that leave PdL?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #562 on: March 02, 2016, 04:49:10 PM »
Right, so we know Sagres was sunny and Faro not, where does that leave PdL?


More importantly where does that leave r d hall

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #563 on: March 02, 2016, 04:51:24 PM »
Right, so we know Sagres was sunny and Faro not, where does that leave PdL?

Unless someone has weather data from a station "smack dab in the middle" of PdL it leaves us guessing.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #564 on: March 02, 2016, 04:52:03 PM »
I am also struggling to understand this chart with the yellow bars, but it looks to me as though it is in perfect harmony with Hall's film, viz.,

Saturday 28 April - SUNNY ALL DAY
Sunday 29 April - SUNNY ALL DAY
Monday 30 April - NO SUN
Tuesday 1 May - NO SUN
Wednesday 2 May - NO SUN
Thursday 3 MAY - ONLY 1 HOUR OF SUN

Looking at that, I would say that Hall has actually understated the contrast between Sunday and Thursday.

Where are your Sagres charts? I can't find them

They are on this Thread.

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #565 on: March 02, 2016, 05:00:31 PM »
Right, so we know Sagres was sunny and Faro not, where does that leave PdL?

 8 min 44 secs ......tells the weather Pdl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUPm35D-X3o








maybe  explainable ....but the weather chart says from 3rd may 2007..to..31st may 2007 ....there is only 30 days in may
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 05:05:34 PM by xtina »
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Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #566 on: March 02, 2016, 05:04:29 PM »

More importantly where does that leave r d hall

Probably, in a far and distant galaxy, using his trusty Pongo to sniff out conspiracies as they happen .
« Last Edit: March 02, 2016, 05:49:32 PM by Alice Purjorick »
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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #567 on: March 02, 2016, 05:05:41 PM »
Right, so we know Sagres was sunny and Faro not, where does that leave PdL?

No idea. I'm not the one making the allegations that the "last photo" had to be a fake based on some unidentified weather chart from an unidentified source.

Sagres is the Algarve "Land's End": it can get bad weather from Atlantic fronts, which tend to move towards the east. Wednesday was a rainy morning in PdL. The Sagres charts show sunny weather in Sagres on the Thursday, while Faro was miserable.


Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #568 on: March 02, 2016, 05:06:55 PM »
I am also struggling to understand this chart with the yellow bars, but it looks to me as though it is in perfect harmony with Hall's film, viz.,

Saturday 28 April - SUNNY ALL DAY
Sunday 29 April - SUNNY ALL DAY
Monday 30 April - NO SUN
Tuesday 1 May - NO SUN
Wednesday 2 May - NO SUN
Thursday 3 MAY - ONLY 1 HOUR OF SUN

Looking at that, I would say that Hall has actually understated the contrast between Sunday and Thursday.

Where are your Sagres charts? I can't find them
The first relevant test is to compare the Sagres and Faro charts for the period.  This comparison quite clearly shows there were large differences between the two, hardly surprising as they are over 50 miles apart in two halves (Barlavento and Sotovento) of the Algarve known to have different patterns.

As Faro is 40 miles to the E of Luz, while Sagres is 14ml to the W of Luz, a first level conclusion would be to prefer the Sagres version as likely to be more accurate, based purely on proximity.

Then there is a comparison of Sagres with Mr Hall's chart.  As the latter is stated to have been constructed in Luz itself, if its provenance is good, it would clearly trump the Sagres figures.  I have appended a copy of Mr Hall's chart at the end of this post.

As a check, I looked at the Sky video taken in the morning of 4 May 2007, where the McCanns are being driven to Portimão to give statements.

That matches Mr Hall's chart for the time.  The sun was casting strong shadows in the video, thus matching Mr Hall's chart, which also depicts sunshine at the time.

The wind direction and speed for Sagres appears to be a paid service, and who knows, I may be curious enough to cough up the dosh.

My interest happens to be in the sniffer dogs brought in late on 4 May, given that a wind should have affected their findings.  But I would not turn down a two birds with one stone result.

Mr Hall's chart shows the wind direction at 12 hourly intervals.  Unfortunately, it does not show the wind speed, which affects both The Last Photo and the sniffer dogs.  Mr Hall's source should have this data, as it is one of the most basic functions of a weather station.

Mr Hall's chart depicts the wind direction as being from the NW or W in the main, with the occasional SW.  It never depicts weather (clouds) coming from the E = Faro.  It consistently depicts weather (clouds) coming from the W = Sagres.

Taking both into account, Sagres as a source is clearly superior to Faro, based on wind direction and proximity.

The question then is, is Mr Hall's chart superior to the Sagres weather station?  I, for one, would be more certain of this if there was more information re Mr Hall's source and the mechanics of the weather station reported to be in Luz.

Here is Mr Hall's weather chart, captured from the video "When Madeleine Died?"
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Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #569 on: March 02, 2016, 05:07:26 PM »
8 min 44 secs ......tells the weather Pdl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUPm35D-X3o


also were g mcc is called the banned word...5min 08secs








maybe  explainable ....but the weather chart says from 3rd may 2007..to..31st may 2007 ....there is only 30 days in may
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.