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Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #705 on: March 04, 2016, 05:29:08 PM »
So,  when did the Boyd's arrive in Pra De Luz exactly?

Good question. No Boyds at the Ocean Club that week as far as I can see.
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Offline misty

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #706 on: March 04, 2016, 05:40:40 PM »
Good question. No Boyds at the Ocean Club that week as far as I can see.

I don't see the name Moyes on the guest list either but we know they were there.

Offline pegasus

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #707 on: March 04, 2016, 06:03:10 PM »
I have already posted that a portuguese smithman might be unlikely to come forward.....from previous articles the portuguese level of trust in the pj is low
If smithman is a portuguese speaker wouldn't he see the 2 efits on the official portuguese language webpages of the Find Madeleine website and come forward?
Or wouldn't he see the 2 efits on the portuguese language broadcast of Crimewatch which BBC and SY and MF arranged in Portugal?

Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #708 on: March 04, 2016, 06:09:51 PM »
Good question. No Boyds at the Ocean Club that week as far as I can see.

Can you give a link to the arrival list for that week please and maybe the list for the week before.

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #709 on: March 04, 2016, 06:38:44 PM »
You are becoming hung up in detail where the value of that detail is minimal, for the purposes of achieving the objective.
You have a point if someone is holding the photo against the child's face for comparison but they will not be. You will be relying on someone having a passing view at anything up to 15 metres or so away.

Edit
Agree with xtina. That pic is more useful as it gives better GISS.

If you mean this one:


http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/L/03_volume_III_o_apenso_VIII_Page_588_mbm.jpg

Yes, that would have been a good one.

However, it was Russell running around trying to get whatever he could find printed as soon as possible. He may have just chosen the first full head one that he found.

The card came from Kate's camera... but did he take the camera with him, or did he simply grab a card? Reason for asking is that there may have been more than one.


Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #710 on: March 04, 2016, 06:44:54 PM »
There's mention somewhere of 4 photos being available for printing, possibly in Russell's rog statement.


Edit.

Some info here  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POSTERS.htm
« Last Edit: March 04, 2016, 07:10:27 PM by jassi »
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #711 on: March 04, 2016, 06:52:54 PM »
Where do you situate PJ leaks in all this?
I didn't follow the case at the time, therefore I am not in a position to make any sort of definitive statement on leaks from that era.

One potential source of leaks in the Dec 14 round of 11 interviews would be the authorities who approved the interviews.  Equally, it could be those requesting the interviews.  Or those arranging the interviews.

Probably many a suspect.  Just no smoking gun.
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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #712 on: March 04, 2016, 07:08:13 PM »
There's mention somewhere of 4 photos being available for printing, possibly in Russell's rog statement.



(From a statement that was typed up from monitoring notes due to the screwup with the recording.)
We tried to find a picture of Madeleine Kate checked her camera but these were mainly of her at home or not such a clear picture.  We found a picture of Madeleine but we couldn’t print it off.  Cat or one of the nannies said that they had a printer and took the camera away to get some photos copied.  A copy of the photo was given directly to the Police, someone from the Mark Warner staff made a poster- but I do not know who that was. (page eight)


This seems to be from going over the notes of the non-recorded interview:



 4064    “No.”
 Reply    “So maybe just delete that.”
 O’BRIEN continued to read through his statement.
 Reply    “Again I’m not quite sure, I don’t think I’ve ever, I don’t think I was ever aware that it was Jane’s photograph, it was only, it was only ever err Kate’s camera, if someone got Kate’s camera she was in no fit state to start searching through, so Kate’s camera was given to us and we searched through for most useful photograph that was on it, err…”

4064    “So if I just say a picture had been taken…”
 Reply    “Yeah, I think, a picture, a picture had been taken, we’ll use that… It says conducted an email there but…”

4064    “Where' Where we looking at'”
 Reply    “Err it was, the second last line, Dave was also to make use of the media and think that he may have conducted an email, constructed.”
 O’BRIEN continued to read through his statement.[/i]



(From one of the recorded ones:)
So, anyway, I saw her at some point either after the initial searches or after this longer one.  Erm, then, erm, there’s a period of time where, where we didn’t search and, erm, we were trying to do things, you know, nearby, erm, one of the, one of the things we tried to do after the Police, the local GNR Police had arrived, was we tried to get, we tried to get the photograph, erm, Kate certainly had some on her camera, they were looking for one, you know, face on that was big enough rather than a, you know, a profile or something, so that took a little while, we then didn’t have any means of printing it and a lot of the MARK WARNER staff were around including John the Manager, I think it was Kat the Nanny, erm, but certainly one of the Nannies made, you know, certainly had found, found either a, well either a printer themselves that would print only from cameras or at least, erm, a connection to the printer that we could use for the card, I can’t remember what the equipment was in the end, but all of this took quite a, quite a while to get hold of.



(Further:)


 1578    “Did you have any photo of Madeleine in your possession”'
 Reply    “Erm we got a photo of Madeleine later on but this is two hours later, erm”.

1578    “So who gave it to you”'
 Reply    “Okay well certain, I’m not quite sure what the, the initial, the question made it sound like whoever had one in our possession anyway, I didn’t, erm we got a, we erm, after a portion of my searches, we got hold of erm Kate’s camera, err looked through the digital cam to try and find a picture of Madeleine reasonably recently, reasonably face on and, and with her being the main, the main character on the photograph, erm clearly that that was going through, there were quite a few pictures that were not ideal, so we, we went through those, err and then printed that off, erm all of this taking a reasonable amount of time to try and get hold of equipment and have offices opened and etc., etc”.

1578    “Okay.  What kind of photo was it”'
 Reply    “The, it was a, it was a photo of err, it was the one that was being circulated in the, in the days immediately afterwards, I’ve seen so many photographs of her, of Madeleine since, I think it was a photograph that had been taken of her and a relatively number of weeks before and I think with a slightly different, slightly longer hair, erm but it was, it was a fa, it was a fa, it was a relatively full on sort of face on photograph, err and it was printed on a standard size erm four by six err inch, as you know, using the equipment that the people had and we ran off a number of copies of this, erm and several I think were given to the, the GNR”.

1578    “I was going to ask you the next question”.
 Reply    “Sorry”.

1578    “Was, who did you give the photo to”'
 Reply    “Yeah well I think the ones that I had, I took, you know cos obviously they were printing out, you know they were slow you know, we really wanted to get them to the Police fairly quickly, so I took the first couple of copies and took those round to, I think the GNR staff, I presume they were the origin, you know original uniformed Officers, it wasn’t the PJ, it was well before the PJ arrived, erm there were other copies printed off which I don’t know where they got to but I know that Mark WARNER, somebody in Mark WARNER made a poster, or at least an A4 err saying that there’d been, you know, there’d been a, err an abduction and that Madeleine was missing and that was circulated around the next morning, so somebody had, had, had that photograph and used it for that poster but I took, I don’t know two or three copies maybe and gave them to the Police.  I actually think ultimately there may have been more copies printed off and somebody else gave even more copies to them as well, err and I think some of the other copies were shown, were just shown to people around who were going on the searches but erm personally”.

1578    “The copies that you had, you only gave to the Police”'
 Reply    “I gave it to the Police, just to the Police”.





Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #713 on: March 04, 2016, 07:21:55 PM »
what your point is i fail to see with above photo ....rather confusing

what my point was

10 MAY........he denied having any more photos ....apart from those given

24 may.they produce ..the so called last photo

why did he say there wasn't any more apart from what they had given ..why did he lie about it as shown in clip

five minutes into it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUPm35D-X3o
Who took that photo...was it one of the other tapas
« Last Edit: March 04, 2016, 07:44:22 PM by davel »

Offline jassi

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #714 on: March 04, 2016, 07:57:41 PM »
Unattributed I believe.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #715 on: March 04, 2016, 08:00:33 PM »
There's mention somewhere of 4 photos being available for printing, possibly in Russell's rog statement.


Edit.

Some info here  http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/POSTERS.htm


I'm not sure what "dua a dua" means. It was translated as "two by two". Just a guess is that it means that Russell had given the GNR 2 copies of 2 different photos, but I'm not certain about that.

That doesn't mean that those were the only photos.

People were running around like headless chickens that night and Russell and whoever (Amy?) printed out the first ones they found that showed her face clearly and that could be printed (one of the extracts that I posted earlier mentions a photo that they had trouble printing for some reason).

The PJ spent ages trying to work out how they were printed. If they'd asked, it might have saved quite a bit of time.

Offline mercury

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #716 on: March 04, 2016, 08:28:40 PM »
I don't see the name Moyes on the guest list either but we know they were there.

See pages 615-638 at the end of this page


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm

List of all holidaymakers from various dates up to two weeks before and two or more after)  with either M Warner or T Cook or there as owners of the properties (like the Moyes, who are there on page 633)

The Boyds dont appear anywhere, so its anyones guess how they got into the Ocean Club, perhaps as guests of a private owner? They apparently had been spotted in the "playground picture" said to be taken on 2 May (see pamalams site and search for Boyd)

Eta here you go:

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Keesh.htm

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #717 on: March 04, 2016, 08:32:10 PM »
If smithman is a portuguese speaker wouldn't he see the 2 efits on the official portuguese language webpages of the Find Madeleine website and come forward?
Or wouldn't he see the 2 efits on the portuguese language broadcast of Crimewatch which BBC and SY and MF arranged in Portugal?
AFAIK, the efits of Smithman have never appeared on the Portuguese language pages of Find Madeleine, and still do not.

There has never been a broadcast of the Crimewatch 2013 in Portugal, whether in English or in Portuguese. It never happened.
What's up, old man?

Offline mercury

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #718 on: March 04, 2016, 08:52:45 PM »
AFAIK, the efits of Smithman have never appeared on the Portuguese language pages of Find Madeleine, and still do not.

There has never been a broadcast of the Crimewatch 2013 in Portugal, whether in English or in Portuguese. It never happened.

This is one of the most bizarre episodes in the saga

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #719 on: March 04, 2016, 09:00:16 PM »
AFAIK, the efits of Smithman have never appeared on the Portuguese language pages of Find Madeleine, and still do not.

There has never been a broadcast of the Crimewatch 2013 in Portugal, whether in English or in Portuguese. It never happened.

because as you have told us..in portugal it was the mccanns what dunnit