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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #960 on: March 17, 2016, 05:19:04 PM »

yes maybe to you

but not to the many thousands who have seen the  video's ....and the  packed attendance at  his lectures[in fact he gets a standing ovation...not everyone believes the mccs ...or the abduction

every thing is there  for all to see...so it is legal..it cant be proved what he is showing ...is not true

One of his venues was a local snooker club...not sure what the attendance was but I bet they were disappointed he didn't do any trick shots

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #961 on: March 17, 2016, 05:20:53 PM »
Why?
If you take off the limited view "McCann spectacles" and don "wider world spectacles" you will note that books are  being written yet about the assassinations of Abe Lincoln and Jack Kennedy and also the Moors Murders to name but three not forgetting that books were being written about JonBenet Ramsey eight years after her death. Everyone loves a mystery or conspiracy theory, a gory mystery being even better. Added to which they will sell.

the wider world glasses enable him to see that there is one born every minute

Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #962 on: March 17, 2016, 05:21:20 PM »
Why?
If you take off the limited view "McCann spectacles" and don "wider world spectacles" you will note that books are  being written yet about the assassinations of Abe Lincoln and Jack Kennedy and also the Moors Murders to name but three not forgetting that books were being written about JonBenet Ramsey eight years after her death. Everyone loves a mystery or conspiracy theory, a gory mystery being even better. Added to which they will sell.

True, Alice. However in the cases you've cited the victim was definitely dead.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #963 on: March 17, 2016, 05:34:36 PM »
Goncalo Amaral states that Dr. David Payne saw Madeleine, alive and well, at around 5pm May 3rd (2007).

Amaral didn't get much right, but that is one of the (few!) things he did (get right!)

What is wrong with giving credit where it's due?
 

Bath time is 6:30 but Kate said he didn't enter the apartment  &%+((£
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #964 on: March 17, 2016, 05:37:30 PM »
True, Alice. However in the cases you've cited the victim was definitely dead.

I don't really see that makes a lot of difference to the principle of "mysteries and conspiracy theories will sell" which can and will be exploited.
Supporters have their own conspiracy theories they scarcely wish to acknowledge but are trotted out regularly in justification of something or other. Reading back through the threads you will find testimony to that proposition.
As I said before, Mr Hall blew his own theory away half way through reel one but here we are 64 pages later........... &%+((£
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Offline Lace

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #965 on: March 17, 2016, 06:39:45 PM »

yes maybe to you

but not to the many thousands who have seen the  video's ....and the  packed attendance at  his lectures[in fact he gets a standing ovation...not everyone believes the mccs ...or the abduction

every thing is there  for all to see...so it is legal..it cant be proved what he is showing ...is not true

Yes, and thousands believe the 9/11 bombings was a conspiracy too extina. 

Look at what you're saying,   the McCann's going the whole week without Madeleine,  how???

Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #966 on: March 17, 2016, 06:43:22 PM »

Well, he's obviously making a comfortable living at it.  And hopefully not On Benefits.

ferryman

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #967 on: March 17, 2016, 07:10:56 PM »

Do you have a cite for that please? I think Amaral was referring to the nanny. He wasn't too sure about Dr David Payne's evidence that he saw Madeleine at 6.30pm

Let's note that at 7pm, the last person to see Maddie - apart from her parents - is David Payne.

(Goncalo Amaral)

Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #968 on: March 17, 2016, 07:38:37 PM »
Let's note that at 7pm, the last person to see Maddie - apart from her parents - is David Payne.

(Goncalo Amaral)

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Offline mercury

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #969 on: March 17, 2016, 07:48:31 PM »
Goncalo Amaral states that Dr. David Payne saw Madeleine, alive and well, at around 5pm May 3rd (2007).

Amaral didn't get much right, but that is one of the (few!) things he did (get right!)

What is wrong with giving credit where it's due?

No he did not, that was Mike Marshall of the Leicester Police


I read carefully the written document/questionnaire provided by David Payne."
but was not able to extricate any other information besides what is already known. He declares that he saw Madeleine, for the last time, at 17H00 on 3/5/07 in the McCann apartment. Also present there were Kate and Gerry. He did not indicate the motive for being there or what he was doing. He also cannot indicate how long he stayed.


Which contradicts in three ways his/others interviews vis a vis time, persons present and reason for being there, plus how long was there,not to mention that none of the Mccanns were in the apartment at 1700 hrs

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ferryman

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #970 on: March 17, 2016, 08:05:11 PM »
Yes he did.

See my quote above.

Offline mercury

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #971 on: March 17, 2016, 08:17:42 PM »
Yes he did.

See my quote above.

Your Amaral quote mentions 7pm not 5pm, as you earlier said in another post.
While your post is correct in spirit it wasnt in the letter.Just saying for accuracy.

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #972 on: March 21, 2016, 08:04:56 AM »
One of the very first things the PJ did when Goncalo Amaral was co-ordinator was to ascertain who the victim was and when she was last seen by a non-family member.

Your promotion of Richard Hall's theory that Madeleine McCann had not to all intents and purposes existed since the Sunday of her arrival in Luz flies in the face of that ... and in my opinion suggests that you consider the PJ and the co-ordinator were negligent ... really, really negligent ... or complete and utter idiots.

That is not my opinion of them and never really has been.

What is your explanation of how Richard Hall was able to pick up on facts you obviously think the PJ missed?

the short answer to this is that amaral should never have been took off this case in mid flow ...who knows what stance he would have took ...or uncovered ...if left to continue ...i believe he would have got to the truth ...if he had been left to it ...before the political issue took over

as for R H ....repeat of OP

WHEN MADELEINE DIED?
The past presence of a human corpse was detected in the McCanns’ apartment and in many other places associated with the McCanns by highly trained police sniffer dogs. This clue suggests that Madeleine may have died and her body lain in the apartment for a period of time. Assuming this is correct, what date and time did Madeleine die? The most logical way to address this question is to go back in time to determine what was the last piece of credible evidence, which proves Madeleine was alive. This film attempts to do this by forensically examining witness statements, photographs, physical evidence, police reports and media reports. In doing so the film exposes the agenda of the mainstream media which has, on the whole, helped to cover up the truth about the Madeleine McCann case.
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Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #973 on: March 21, 2016, 08:05:48 AM »
I have made no secret of the fact I have not subjected myself to four hours of Richard Hall's videos. 

I have relied on the learned discussion which has taken place between those who have for my information.

That would include you?

To date absolutely nothing has been put forward to substantiate the claim made that Madeleine (Died?) on the Sunday of her arrival in Luz and I consider it to be absolute balderdash.

I have read many well researched posts on this thread which have established that Richard Hall's claim is not only lacking in research but is totally misguided and wrong.

On those facts I have based my opinion and my posts.

so in other words..on R H ....you rely on hearsay
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

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Offline Benice

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #974 on: March 21, 2016, 09:22:06 AM »
the short answer to this is that amaral should never have been took off this case in mid flow ...who knows what stance he would have took ...or uncovered ...if left to continue ...i believe he would have got to the truth ...if he had been left to it ...before the political issue took over

as for R H ....repeat of OP

WHEN MADELEINE DIED?
The past presence of a human corpse was detected in the McCanns’ apartment and in many other places associated with the McCanns by highly trained police sniffer dogs.

This clue suggests that Madeleine may have died and her body lain in the apartment for a period of time. Assuming this is correct, what date and time did Madeleine die? The most logical way to address this question is to go back in time to determine what was the last piece of credible evidence, which proves Madeleine was alive. This film attempts to do this by forensically examining witness statements, photographs, physical evidence, police reports and media reports. In doing so the film exposes the agenda of the mainstream media which has, on the whole, helped to cover up the truth about the Madeleine McCann case.

Would you agree that according to M. Grime that first sentence is not true?

It seems to me that RH is under the mistaken impression that a human corpse MUST have been present in all the places Eddie and/or Keela barked.

According to M. Grime - that is not the case.

So who do you believe is correct -  RH or the dog handler himself.

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