Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[Benice]

There is definitely a problem with Amy's evidence. Unless you can explain how she saw something that no-one else saw;

She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

IMO G - first of all you would have to explain why Amy Tierney would make a decision to deliberately lie to the police for a couple she didn't know - especially in light of the seriousness of what had happened.   Sorry but that makes no sense to me. 

 

[Angelo222]

I find the whole thing very difficult to swallow.  Kate finds wafting curtains so turns on the light to find Madeleine gone and she doesn't close the window at least???

[G-Unit]

IMO G - first of all you would have to explain why Amy Tierney would make a decision to deliberately lie to the police for a couple she didn't know - especially in light of the seriousness of what had happened.   Sorry but that makes no sense to me. 

Let's look at what happened then. If the alarm was raised at 10pm everyone except Dianne W went to the apartment. The first thing Gerry did was close the shutter. At that time Amy was at the creche with her colleagues. If Gerry didn't close the shutter immediately then Dianne and Fiona should have seen it open. They said it was closed and Amy said it was open. Take your pick!

[pathfinder73]

I find the whole thing very difficult to swallow.  Kate finds wafting curtains so turns on the light to find Madeleine gone and she doesn't close the window at least???

If the cleaner cleaned the window on Wednesday and her fingerprints were found on it the next day then she touched the window. And we know what Amaral thinks as to why being in the location they were found. SB in her statement said that Gerry told her he had closed the window but none of his fingerprints were found.

[ferryman]

I find the whole thing very difficult to swallow.  Kate finds wafting curtains so turns on the light to find Madeleine gone and she doesn't close the window at least???

Wafting curtains would be a bit of a mouthful to swallow ....

[Benice]

Let's look at what happened then. If the alarm was raised at 10pm everyone except Dianne W went to the apartment. The first thing Gerry did was close the shutter. At that time Amy was at the creche with her colleagues. If Gerry didn't close the shutter immediately then Dianne and Fiona should have seen it open. They said it was closed and Amy said it was open. Take your pick!

At  least 2 GNR officers said the shutters were partially open after 11.00p.m. - maybe that is what Amy Tierney saw - but because her statement is only a summary and not verbatim - that point wasn't recorded or maybe she wasn't asked to describe the position of the shutters in precise detail.  The same goes for the window which she said was partially open - but doesn't say how far it was open.    IIRC Kate said the window/shutters were completely open when she found Madeleine missing.  But would Amy  have known that at the time of her interview?  - if not then she is not in any way confirming what K&G said about how they found the shutters/windows - but only what she saw.   Why would that be construed as a fabrication?       The GNR officers could not remember whether the window was open or not. (from memory). 

Can you give a reason why Amy Tierney would lie to the police for a couple of virtual strangers?   Until that can be established then poring over her statements in detail is pointless IMO.

[pathfinder73]

At  least 2 GNR officers said the shutters were partially open after 11.00p.m. - maybe that is what Amy Tierney saw - but because her statement is only a summary and not verbatim - that point wasn't recorded or maybe she wasn't asked to describe the position of the shutters in precise detail.  The same goes for the window which she said was partially open - but doesn't say how far it was open.    IIRC Kate said the window/shutters were completely open when she found Madeleine missing.  But would Amy  have known that at the time of her interview?  - if not then she is not in any way confirming what K&G said about how they found the shutters/windows - but only what she saw.   Why would that be construed as a fabrication?       The GNR officers could not remember whether the window was open or not. (from memory). 

Can you give a reason why Amy Tierney would lie to the police for a couple of virtual strangers?   Until that can be established then poring over her statements in detail is pointless IMO.

"She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

The shutter wasn't raised when Dianne first got there and she couldn't raise them. Amy didn't see them raised. The shutter was partially open not the window.

[Benice]

"She saw that the shutter was raised and that the window was partially open."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMY-ELLEN-TIERNEY.htm

The shutter wasn't raised when Dianne first got there and she couldn't raise them. Impossible for Amy to see them raised. The shutter was partially open not the window.

So at least 2 GNR officers were wrong then - when they claimed that the shutters were partially raised? 

Can you can come up with a credible reason why Amy Tierney would decide to deliberately lie to the PJ?

[pathfinder73]

So at least 2 GNR officers were wrong then - when they claimed that the shutters were partially raised? 

Can you can come up with a credible reason why Amy Tierney would decide to perjure herself to the PJ?

Did you read what I posted? I clearly stated the shutter was partially open/raised as seen in crime scene photos. Amy said it was raised and the window partially open. Not so!

[Benice]

Did you read what I posted? I clearly stated the shutter was partially open as seen in crime scene photos. Amy said it was raised and the window partially open. Not so!

Maybe Amy also saw the shutters were partially raised too - but that wasn't made clear in her summarised statement?   

One GNR officer thought the window was closed, one officer couldn't remember whether it was closed or not - and Amy Tierney thought the window was partially (not fully) open.     Taking into account the fallibility of memory -   I do not regard that as proof that someone must have lied.       The crime scene photos were taken much later - so if the window was partially open when she arrived - then it  may have been completely closed before the photos were taken.

I ask you again.     Can you come up with a credible reason why Amy Tierney would decide to deliberately lie to the PJ over what she remembered?



 

[pathfinder73]

Maybe Amy also saw the shutters were partially raised too - but that wasn't made clear in her summarised statement?   

One GNR officer thought the window was closed, one officer couldn't remember whether it was closed or not - and Amy Tierney thought the window was partially (not fully) open.     Taking into account the fallibility of memory -   I do not regard that as proof that someone must have lied.       The crime scene photos were taken much later - so if the window was partially open when she arrived - then it  may have been completely closed before the photos were taken.

I ask you again.     Can you come up with a credible reason why Amy Tierney would decide to deliberately lie to the PJ over what she remembered?



 

She probably got confused saying the window was partially open when it was the shutter. Gerry apparently closed the window leaving no evidence. And Kate said she didn't touch it (closed all week!) and left evidence. It's no wonder you wouldn't answer questions.

[G-Unit]

So at least 2 GNR officers were wrong then - when they claimed that the shutters were partially raised? 

Can you can come up with a credible reason why Amy Tierney would decide to perjure herself to the PJ?

The GNR Officers, when asked in October 2007, said;

When questioned about the windows in the bedroom, he only remembers that the window in the girl's bedroom was closed with the blind raised up the space of the width of a hand.

When questioned about the bedroom windows, he only remembers that blinds of the window of the girl’s bedroom were not totally closed.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id258.html

That fits with the photographs of the window taken on the night in question. Amy just said the blind (shutter) was raised, not partially raised.

Perhaps she did see the blind raised and the window partly open, but the other two women didn't, and they were there before she was according to the statements.

Pointing out discrepancies between statements doesn't equate to accusing people of lying. If anyone did lie, the reason would be known only to themselves. Perjury, by the way, involves lying under oath. Was anyone under oath when giving statements?

[Benice]

She probably got confused saying the window was partially open when it was the shutter. Gerry apparently closed the window leaving no evidence. And Kate said she didn't touch it (closed all week!) and left evidence. It's no wonder you wouldn't answer questions.

What do you mean .. ' it's no wonder you wouldn't answer questions''?  I have answered all of your posts to me. 

 However I notice you have studiously ignored my question to you  - as to why Amy Tierney would lie to the police, and judging by your post above - you are now attempting to move the goalposts as I see no connection between what Kate said about touching the window - and Amy Tierneys recollection of how she found the shutters/windows when she entered 5A.

IIRC RH's video claims that Amy Tierney lied through her teeth for the McCanns.   I'm still waiting for your considered opinion  (or anyone else's) as to WHY she would do that.

(must go out now)

[pathfinder73]

What do you mean .. ' it's no wonder you wouldn't answer questions''?  I have answered all of your posts to me. 

 However I notice you have studiously ignored my question to you  - as to why Amy Tierney would lie to the police, and judging by your post above - you are now attempting to move the goalposts as I see no connection between what Kate said about touching the window - and Amy Tierneys recollection of how she found the shutters/windows when she entered 5A.

IIRC RH's video claims that Amy Tierney lied through her teeth for the McCanns.   I'm still waiting for your considered opinion  (or anyone else's) as to WHY she would do that.

(must go out now)

Amy probably got confused saying the window was partially open when it was the shutter. I wouldn't answer questions if I was Kate as well 

[ferryman]

This thread was scotched (as a 'debate') as early as the 5th post of the first page.

Yet, 75 pages later ....

An absolute disgrace and a stain on this board.