Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb

[jassi]

This thread was scotched (as a 'debate') as early as the 5th post of the first page.

Yet, 75 pages later ....

An absolute disgrace and a stain on this board.

If you feel that, I'm surprised you continue to be a member.

[ferryman]

If you feel that, I'm surprised you continue to be a member.

How else is the balance to be redressed; the iniquity to be exposed?

[jassi]

You think your presence makes any difference?

[Alice Purjorick]

So at least 2 GNR officers were wrong then - when they claimed that the shutters were partially raised? 

Can you can come up with a credible reason why Amy Tierney would decide to perjure herself to the PJ?

The shutters being partially raised is the curious bit.

[Eleanor]

You think your presence makes any difference?

So why are you here?

[jassi]

So why are you here?

Because I want to be   

How about you?

[ferryman]

I believe it's what they call passive-aggression; seemingly innocuous and inconsequential remarks calculated to needle.

Then, when the tactic succeeds (in producing a provoked response everyone notices) it is the person provoked who incurs the backlash.

Not clever, not constructive and not conducive to informed debate ....

[Eleanor]

Because I want to be   

How about you?

If you would cut the snide remarks to Ferryman I will be pleased.

[Jean-Pierre]

Because I want to be   

How about you?

Ditto.  And I imagine the same goes for Ferryman and all other active posters here.



 

[Lace]

If the cleaner cleaned the window on Wednesday and her fingerprints were found on it the next day then she touched the window. And we know what Amaral thinks as to why being in the location they were found. SB in her statement said that Gerry told her he had closed the window but none of his fingerprints were found.

Can you honestly believe the cleaner cleaned the windows?    They only have a certain time to clean these apartments and I don't think cleaning windows would be included.   Maybe the windows would be cleaned when the holiday makers left and new ones were arriving but I can't see the windows being cleaned in between that.

[Lace]

IMO G - first of all you would have to explain why Amy Tierney would make a decision to deliberately lie to the police for a couple she didn't know - especially in light of the seriousness of what had happened.   Sorry but that makes no sense to me. 

 

I agree Benice,  it's all total nonsense to think that all the nannies interviewed would lie,  why for goodness sake?  and that is a question they cannot answer.

[ShiningInLuz]

Can you honestly believe the cleaner cleaned the windows?    They only have a certain time to clean these apartments and I don't think cleaning windows would be included.   Maybe the windows would be cleaned when the holiday makers left and new ones were arriving but I can't see the windows being cleaned in between that.

She had 6 occupied apartments when Madeleine disappeared.  She makes the last day of cleaning 5A the Wednesday, and from memory, Kate says 5A was also cleaned on the Monday.

She had help on the turn-round day of Sat 28 Apr.  That would have been required to do a proper clean whether it was old guests out in the morning and new guests in the same day, or whether it was simpler.

Her schedule seems to have required the cleaning of 3 apartments per day.  Possibly topped up by preparing some of her other apartments in advance.

It doesn't sound like she was overloaded, though she does say that on the Thu she was too busy to take the rubbish out.

It just seems odd to me to clean windows in the middle of a 1 week stay.

[G-Unit]

I agree Benice,  it's all total nonsense to think that all the nannies interviewed would lie,  why for goodness sake?  and that is a question they cannot answer.

Can you therefore explain this? The Mini's were housed in the next room to the Baby creche. There were 14 MW children within in the Mini age group. On 3rd May Cat Baker took 6 of them to the beach to sail. The other Mini nanny didn't notice they'd gone. Both nannys said they went to the beach on Wednesday afternoon, but according to the activities sheet that didn't happen for MBM's group.

Is it perhaps 'the fallibility of memory' 'mistranslation of the files' or something else?

[Lace]

Can you therefore explain this? The Mini's were housed in the next room to the Baby creche. There were 14 MW children within in the Mini age group. On 3rd May Cat Baker took 6 of them to the beach to sail. The other Mini nanny didn't notice they'd gone. Both nannys said they went to the beach on Wednesday afternoon, but according to the activities sheet that didn't happen for MBM's group.

Is it perhaps 'the fallibility of memory' 'mistranslation of the files' or something else?

I don't know where you have got the 'the other Mini nanny didn't notice they'd gone'   as when I read the statement she was referring to Madeleine and not the fact that she didn't notice the group had gone.   This nanny was concentrating on her own group in her care so why would she be concentrating on who was going sailing?

Could you show me where it says both nannies said they went to the beach on Wednesday afternoon,  as when I read Catriona Baker's statement she said they went to the beach on three occasions but apart from sailing trip couldn't remember what days the other two were on.

[G-Unit]

I don't know where you have got the 'the other Mini nanny didn't notice they'd gone'   as when I read the statement she was referring to Madeleine and not the fact that she didn't notice the group had gone.   This nanny was concentrating on her own group in her care so why would she be concentrating on who was going sailing?

Could you show me where it says both nannies said they went to the beach on Wednesday afternoon,  as when I read Catriona Baker's statement she said they went to the beach on three occasions but apart from sailing trip couldn't remember what days the other two were on.

Cat made three statements not just her rog one (by which time she would have forgotten).

We were told by Catriona that the only days they went to the beach were Tuesday afternoon (1 May 2007) between 15:30 and 16:30, on Wednesday (the next day) at the same time and on Thursday between 10 and 11 o'clock
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CATRIONA-TREASA-B.htm
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She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine's group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; she does remember that around 1230 Madelew's (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch.

When questioned, she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine's group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EMMA_WILDING.htm

I don't care how hard you concentrate you'd notice six children being got ready and going, not to mention the gap in the room. We don't know how many children Emma had that day, but if there's 14 being reduced to 8, you'd notice imo.