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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1365 on: April 04, 2016, 05:05:46 PM »
I confess that I haven't read the whole of this thread.

The idea that Faro weather, which is to 40 km to the East of PdL when the weather was coming in from the West, should be taken as some sort of verifiable data is beyond me. Particularly when land-based weather data based in Sagres (10-12 km to the West of PdL) gave very different weather data - a sunny day.

There is, of course, no proof that Sagres data (10-12 km away) is accurate in terms of PdL on the Thursday, but - IMO - it does seem to be more likely than Faro data (40km away) based on weather fronts from the West.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1366 on: April 04, 2016, 05:34:02 PM »
Selective quotes by someone who must not be named managed to change "the only assumption" into only an "assumption"....

Was that common sense ?
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Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1367 on: April 05, 2016, 09:35:42 AM »
I confess that I haven't read the whole of this thread.

The idea that Faro weather, which is to 40 km to the East of PdL when the weather was coming in from the West, should be taken as some sort of verifiable data is beyond me. Particularly when land-based weather data based in Sagres (10-12 km to the West of PdL) gave very different weather data - a sunny day.

There is, of course, no proof that Sagres data (10-12 km away) is accurate in terms of PdL on the Thursday, but - IMO - it does seem to be more likely than Faro data (40km away) based on weather fronts from the West.



i think you will find the weather was based on lagos/luz.not faro

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL4Y3PkeNR2estN6MQL_y_yRDxGrSMzp7fEM0FnOoZyRNTMOg3Lg


Personally I like the way that Richard D Hall has given the facts but didn't fall into the trap of insinuating that he knows more than he does nor has he tried to inflate himself......

He's saying ....here's the facts make your own mind up. And it's that which may help guide others to search for the truth.

focused only on pulling together facts that are in the public domain in the way that he does so very well.
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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1368 on: April 05, 2016, 10:19:09 AM »


i think you will find the weather was based on lagos/luz.not faro

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRL4Y3PkeNR2estN6MQL_y_yRDxGrSMzp7fEM0FnOoZyRNTMOg3Lg


Personally I like the way that Richard D Hall has given the facts but didn't fall into the trap of insinuating that he knows more than he does nor has he tried to inflate himself......

He's saying ....here's the facts make your own mind up. And it's that which may help guide others to search for the truth.

focused only on pulling together facts that are in the public domain in the way that he does so very well.

There is no indication of the location on that weather chart (it could have been taken on the moon for all anyone knows). Is there any particular reason why not?

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1369 on: April 05, 2016, 10:59:22 AM »
There is no indication of the location on that weather chart (it could have been taken on the moon for all anyone knows). Is there any particular reason why not?


if you look 12 04.........into the film ...there is a indication where the weather was took from...and it is not faro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUPm35D-X3o

could be taken on the moon you say .....there is info where it was took Lagos/Luz ....if you don't want to believe it fine ...have you anything ....to disprove it ...or to prove it not true

apart from the moon that is .... @)(++(*
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Offline blonk

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1370 on: April 05, 2016, 11:46:23 AM »
Selective quotes by someone who must not be named managed to change "the only assumption" into only an "assumption"....

Come, come, Carana, 'someone who must not be named'? I'm hardly anonymous on here, am I? - unlike almost everybody else on this forum.

But actually I'm glad you've brought up this long-standing misrepresentation of a comment I made many years ago. It was in a discussion about Madeleine while Clarence Mitchell was being interviewed by his old friend Peter Levy on Radio Humberside (promoting Kate McCann's forthcoming 'very truthful' book).

I've never been shy about quoting Clarence's actual words - the entire transcript is available on CMOMM, but I'm still not sure if Admin allows me to post links there as a previous one I put up was deleted. But here's the relevant extract:

QUOTE

CLARENCE MITCHELL:   Kate and Gerry know Mad…, know their daughter well enough to know that she didn’t wander out of the apartment as has often been speculated. The only assumption that they can make is that somebody took her out of the apartment. That is the working hypothesis on which the private investigation is also based...

UNQUOTE

In a later discussion about this interview, I pointed out that Clarence Mitchell's comments showed that even in the McCann camp, the idea of Madeleine being abducted was NOT a fact, but 'only' an assumption, 'only' a working hypothesis.

I was correct, wasn't I?     

Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1371 on: April 05, 2016, 01:48:58 PM »
It would seem that different stories were told to different people.

Alex Woolfall said;

Mr Woolfall says that he heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched. "Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a paedophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around it was whether she could have wandered off and had an accident or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent.
 
"During the first 48 hours the word being used was 'missing' rather than 'abducted' or any link with a paedophile or any sort of crime. Towards the end of the second week I detected a shift towards there being a consciousness that she had probably been taken rather than wandered off, just on the assumption that anybody would have found her by now."
06 October 2007
Timesonline.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id65.html

Kate McCann;

"But I knew she wouldn't walk out anyway. There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind she'd been taken."
05 August 2007
Sunday Mirror
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id16.html

Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared 'she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

It was Gerry telling me that Madeleine had been taken.......he had spoken to the local police but they were not taking the situation seriously. I remember Gerry saying that they did not treat the matter with urgency and only stated that Madeleine must have left on her own and that she would be back later. It was so frustrating, Madeleine did not do things like that, she was not that kind of girl.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PATRICIA_CAMERON.htm
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1372 on: April 05, 2016, 04:12:25 PM »
It would seem that different stories were told to different people.

Alex Woolfall said;

Mr Woolfall says that he heard no suggestion in the early days that the girl had been snatched. "Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a paedophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around it was whether she could have wandered off and had an accident or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent.
 
"During the first 48 hours the word being used was 'missing' rather than 'abducted' or any link with a paedophile or any sort of crime. Towards the end of the second week I detected a shift towards there being a consciousness that she had probably been taken rather than wandered off, just on the assumption that anybody would have found her by now."
06 October 2007
Timesonline.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id65.html

Kate McCann;

"But I knew she wouldn't walk out anyway. There wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind she'd been taken."
05 August 2007
Sunday Mirror
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id16.html

Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared 'she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

It was Gerry telling me that Madeleine had been taken.......he had spoken to the local police but they were not taking the situation seriously. I remember Gerry saying that they did not treat the matter with urgency and only stated that Madeleine must have left on her own and that she would be back later. It was so frustrating, Madeleine did not do things like that, she was not that kind of girl.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PATRICIA_CAMERON.htm

Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared 'she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

I wonder what KG thinks of that statement.
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Offline Carana

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1373 on: April 05, 2016, 04:54:18 PM »
Come, come, Carana, 'someone who must not be named'? I'm hardly anonymous on here, am I? - unlike almost everybody else on this forum.

But actually I'm glad you've brought up this long-standing misrepresentation of a comment I made many years ago. It was in a discussion about Madeleine while Clarence Mitchell was being interviewed by his old friend Peter Levy on Radio Humberside (promoting Kate McCann's forthcoming 'very truthful' book).

I've never been shy about quoting Clarence's actual words - the entire transcript is available on CMOMM, but I'm still not sure if Admin allows me to post links there as a previous one I put up was deleted. But here's the relevant extract:

QUOTE

CLARENCE MITCHELL:   Kate and Gerry know Mad…, know their daughter well enough to know that she didn’t wander out of the apartment as has often been speculated. The only assumption that they can make is that somebody took her out of the apartment. That is the working hypothesis on which the private investigation is also based...

UNQUOTE

In a later discussion about this interview, I pointed out that Clarence Mitchell's comments showed that even in the McCann camp, the idea of Madeleine being abducted was NOT a fact, but 'only' an assumption, 'only' a working hypothesis.

I was correct, wasn't I?   

There is a difference between "the only assumption that they can make is..." and then changing it to state that what he'd said was that it was "only" an "assumption".

The first is exclusive, the second implies one amongst several others. Why didn't you simply keep his original quote?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1374 on: April 05, 2016, 07:11:18 PM »
Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared 'she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles'.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GRAHAM-MCKENZIE.htm

I wonder what KG thinks of that statement.

It was obvious what she thought from the beginning. I was wondering why, having their own English-speaking media spokesman, they didn't use him to publicise the abduction. Why, in fact, they appear to have avoided telling him what they were so sure of from the moment they found Madeleine gone. How peculiar.
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1375 on: April 05, 2016, 08:33:30 PM »
Madeleine – faked crèche records

What does it take to bypass High Tea at the Tapas area on 3 May 2007, assuming High Tea took place that day, but Madeleine did not attend?

Quite a bit, actually.

The crèche record for the afternoon of 3 May shows just 4 children in Cat Baker's group, which a missing Madeleine would have cut to just 3.

Two children were signed in at 14.30, one being Ella O'Brien.  Madeleine was signed in by Kate at 14.50, bringing Cat's group to 3.  Then a 4th child was signed in at 15.30, bringing the total to 4.

That 4th child entry is one of the more suspicious ones in the crèche register, leaving open the possibility that it is false  That in turn would open up another possibility that Kate's entry was simply tacked on, with Madeleine nowhere to be seen.

Ella O'Brien was the first to be signed out, at 16.30, for her trip to the beach and the Paraíso restaurant.  That took Cat's group down to 3 if Madeleine was in the crèche, 2 if Madeleine was not, and just 1 if the final entry was also faked.  The difference between these options is quite noticeable.

The checkout timing of the 3 children left after Ella departed suggests they were all at High Tea, together with Cat.  What are the alternatives?

Alternative 1.  Madeleine was picked up by Kate at 17.30, by Kate, but did not attend High Tea.  This is barely interesting.  For some reason, Cat is lying and Kate is lying, but the key thing is Madeleine was alive at 5.30pm on 3 May.

Alternative 2.  The McCanns were sneaking in and out of the Mini Club, risking entering false records, without putting Madeleine in the crèche.  Cat simply never noticed.  And when Kate says Madeleine was signed in at the same time as Ella, Russell or Jane did not notice.

Alternative 3.  Cat Baker is in on it, either forging entries or accepting false entries that Madeleine attended the crèche when she did not.  Mr Hall does not explain why Cat Baker might be in on it, other than she visited Rothley after the incident, and might have a tenuous Facebook connection.  Personally, I would need a lot more than this if risking falling foul of Portuguese law by being involved in some sort of cover up for death and disposal of a body.

As Alice P. pointed out, the wheels on Mr Hall´s bus come off if Madeleine was alive, with a bonus if she was at High Tea that day.

IMO, the High Tea occurred, and Madeleine attended.  Anyone who wishes to assert otherwise is going to have to do better homework than Mr Hall.

There is no point in winding the clock back before 17.30 on 3 May 2007.  No need to consider the Last Photo or the Tennis Balls photo.

As to whether Madeleine's High Tea went the way described by Kate, who knows.  The High Tea took place.  Madeleine attended.

Mr Hall's video is based on mistake after mistake.
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Offline Eleanor

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1376 on: April 05, 2016, 08:45:05 PM »

Mr. Hall doesn't do his own research.  He relies on the mistakes of others.

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1377 on: April 05, 2016, 08:58:07 PM »
Mr. Hall doesn't do his own research.  He relies on the mistakes of others.

 *&*%£

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Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1378 on: April 05, 2016, 09:04:17 PM »
*&*%£

Talking of mistakes.


The mccanns idea of childcare. 8)--))

Offline xtina

Re: Richard Hall's film 'When Madeleine Died?' uploaded to YouTube 19th Feb
« Reply #1379 on: April 06, 2016, 09:55:09 AM »
*&*%£

oh dear ...talk about a drum roll ... @)(++(*

i put a link up a few pages back ...for bite size clips ..but it was the four hour one ...the one below is the one showing the bite size ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwv_UhqoI60

I'm sure people can make there own minds up on what they believe and what they don't believe ...what we should know at the beginning of this case[a very inportant time] ....because of what was fresh and said as it was ...there was a pattern showing ....discrepancies were being found ...were they should not be

GA picked up on this and so did many others....but unfortunately got rid of one by one



British diplomat warned Foreign Office of concerns over McCanns
Last updated at 10:18 03 December 2007

The Foreign Office was alerted to fears over Gerry and Kate McCann by a British diplomat in Portugal just days after their daughter Madeleine went missing.
The diplomat was sent to the holiday resort of Praia da Luz in the days following the four-year-old's disappearance and soon became concerned over "inconsistencies" in the testimonies by her parents and their friends.
After visiting the McCanns, the unnamed diplomat sent a report to the Foreign Office in London, admitting his worries about "confused declarations" of the McCanns' movements on the night of May 3.
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499340/British-diplomat-warned-Foreign-Office-concerns-McCanns.html#ixzz452D5uqRP


nothing ever is ....or ever has been straight forward in this case.....the only thing shown for sure ...is there is no evidence whatsoever ...of an abduction...............even 17 million pounds cant buy that

you either buy the mccs version of events............ or you don't
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