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[Carana]

Now I just have to find where I found that.. It was from a bona fide weather site with historical data.

[Carana]

In the UK weather stations are on a 40km grid and even with that weather interpretation even by the experts can be incorrect.
Amateurs trying to interpolate weather from two stations about 80km apart is a hiding to nothing.
We have all heard and some experienced the "p*****g with rain on one side of the street and sunny on the other".

Now, yes. It's not always easy to find historical daily records going back 9 years.

I've found two for Sagres and even so, they don't correspond to the precise location - two are 10-12 km away (Sagres) and the other is 40km away in the direction of the advancing bad weather in Faro).

The weather may, of course, be better or worse even a few km away... but taking Faro airport as conditions prevailing in the little cove of PdL 40km to the west as "proof" of anything seems somewhat precarious...

NB: I stil don't understand how this RAF ex-pat didn't notice any activity on the evening of 3 May when he got to his apartment, wherever that was. As I can't find any indication of where he actually was that night, he might not have been in PdL at all

[Carana]

@ SIL

My source for sunshine hours was weatheronline.co.uk

[ShiningInLuz]

@ SIL

My source for sunshine hours was weatheronline.co.uk

For info like this I like to see my own conclusions checked independently by others.  It rules out the possibility that I have made an error.

[Carana]

For info like this I like to see my own conclusions checked independently by others.  It rules out the possibility that I have made an error.

Weatheronline is independent, isn't it?

I can't find the sunshine record from wunderground.

[ShiningInLuz]

Weatheronline is independent, isn't it?

I can't find the sunshine record from wunderground.

No, I didn't mean that.  I meant that someone else should assess the reliability of the source, and verify my interpretation.  I have got too many things wrong in the past that needed to be unpicked later.  Much better to start with a double check.

[Carana]

@ SIL

Go to www.weatheronline.co.uk

From there, click on "archive" at the top.

Left-hand column, click on world, then Europe, then south.

Select PT, then scan through to find Sagres.

When Sagres pops up, select date.

[Carana]

No, I didn't mean that.  I meant that someone else should assess the reliability of the source, and verify my interpretation.  I have got too many things wrong in the past that needed to be unpicked later.  Much better to start with a double check.

I understand that, no probs.

For the moment, I can find no verification as to the source of this unidentified weather chart from Havern's.

The independently-sourced charts that I have managed to find (and for which I have provided links) don't appear to corroborate weather descriptions for PdL that day.

Perhaps it was taken from a reliable source, however, no source was provided, let alone any corroborating one.

[Carana]

Let's put it another way... if that weather chart was indeed from PdL, why not post the original source?

Simples.

[ShiningInLuz]

I understand that, no probs.

For the moment, I can find no verification as to the source of this unidentified weather chart from Havern's.

The independently-sourced charts that I have managed to find (and for which I have provided links) don't appear to corroborate weather descriptions for PdL that day.

Perhaps it was taken from a reliable source, however, no source was provided, let alone any corroborating one.

Try comparing that chart with an equivalent time span from Sagres, and the same from Faro.  If it from Sages, it should match the Sagres chart.  If it from Faro, it should match Faro.  While if it matches neither .......

[Carana]

@ SIL

Hope this works. Sagres Temp at 2 pm was a fraction below 18°c (within the top range of 16-18°C), and wind gust had risen to what looks like around 17-18 km/h (towards the top of the range of 13-21 km/h).

If the pool was sheltered in the little cove of PdL, the weather may have felt more pleasant at around 2pm than Sagres... and certainly more so than Faro that day.

https://www.wunderground.com/history/station/08533/2007/5/3/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=&theprefset=SHOWMETAR&theprefvalue=1&MR=1

[ShiningInLuz]

In the UK weather stations are on a 40km grid and even with that weather interpretation even by the experts can be incorrect.
Amateurs trying to interpolate weather from two stations about 80km apart is a hiding to nothing.
We have all heard and some experienced the "p*****g with rain on one side of the street and sunny on the other".

I wasn't thinking about simple interpolation

If the wind was predominantly westerly at any period, then one should get a Sagres - Luz - Lagos movement of cloud at a rate predictable by the wind speed.

If the charts show significant components that are offset from west, then the result becomes highly unpredictable, as the 3 places are getting weather from quite different sources.

If both charts show anything with a westerly component, then I for one would not accept Faro weather as valid.  To swallow Faro, it would take charts with a strong element of easterly in it.

[Carana]

The temp in the alleged "PdL" one is 1° out compared to the max temp in Faro- but which was in the latish evening, not "mid-day". The temp in the Sagres one at around 2 pm was just under 18° (17.5°?).

The times of these max temps don't correspond.

The wind direction and speed corresponds far more to Sagres, IMO, than to Faro... but then there can still be local variations even within a few kms.

[Carana]

@ SIL

According to the EXIF data on one photo (playground man) in the Bruno Photo library, it was dated as having been taken on Wednesday pm (which would indicate at least a bit of sunshine that afternoon, despite the rainy morning).
 
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.585

Blonk states that Bruno must have got this wrong.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=6981.615

[Carana]

Perhaps an elementary question, but what doesn't that so-called PDL one have a location as a label?