"they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did" claim.

[Carana]

As has been stated many times.

Mccann supporters are quite happy when court judgments favour the mccanns.

However, as we see on this thread, they are unable to accept ANYTHING against their doctrine.

As a reminder, can anyone provide a cite showing independent verification of the times when the mccanns or their associates checked the children ?

I can't find any cross-verification of Mrs Fenn's statement (taken months after the fact).

Have you?

[stephen25000]

I can't find any cross-verification of Mrs Fenn's statement (taken months after the fact).

Have you?

I haven't looked for one yet.

Mrs Fenn tried to offer her help to the mccanns.

Now Carana, would you care to remind us all what did kate mccann and her friend say about Mrs Fenn in response ?

[Alice Purjorick]

As has been stated many times.

Mccann supporters are quite happy when court judgments favour the mccanns.

However, as we see on this thread, they are unable to accept ANYTHING against their doctrine.

As a reminder, can anyone provide a cite showing independent verification of the times when the mccanns or their associates checked the children ?

P.S. Leaving the Tapas area is not verification of a check(s)

Bishop: "I'm afraid you've got a bad egg, Mr Jones";
Curate: "Oh, no, my Lord, I assure you that parts of it are excellent!"

[G-Unit]

As has been stated many times.

Mccann supporters are quite happy when court judgments favour the mccanns.

However, as we see on this thread, they are unable to accept ANYTHING against their doctrine.

As a reminder, can anyone provide a cite showing independent verification of the times when the mccanns or their associates checked the children ?

P.S. Leaving the Tapas area is not verification of a check(s)

Stephen Carpenter said;

At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table...........I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals.......Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm

So he was in their company from 8.30-9.30pm at the most. During that time he didn't see Kate leave the table to check, so if she left she went elsewhere. Perhaps the 'Ladies'? Russell O'Brien says in his rog interview that the toilet was 'almost up to the portal', so I'm assuming it's the building on the left as you enter the Tapas complex. Anyone in the Tapas restaurant who saw people coming and going couldn't say for sure if they'd been to the toilet or to the apartments. No-one else saw them AFAIK.

Carpenter and his wife left between 9.15-9.30pm. According to the T9 timeline he could have seen Jane going. Jane returning. Gerry talking to Jez. Gerry returning. Matt and Russell going. He didn't see anyone. He did see parked cars on the same side as the reception. None of the checkers saw them.

[Carana]

I haven't looked for one yet.

Mrs Fenn tried to offer her help to the mccanns.

Now Carana, would you care to remind us all what did kate mccann and her friend say about Mrs Fenn in response ?

I don't see how your reply is an answer to my question.

My question is quite simple, but let me put it another way: 

- What is there in the files that cross-references Mrs Fenn's statement concerning who she heard crying (in her opinion it wasn't a baby of 2 years-old or less - if ever that was what she was actually asked), on what date, at what time, for how long?

- Has any reconstruction been done to check where the sound actually could have come from?

- Was the friend she phoned ever contacted by the PJ to establish the time (date)?

- Did anyone ever ask her whether she heard two gates open and closing ?

[stephen25000]

I don't see how your reply is an answer to my question.

My question is quite simple, but let me put it another way: 

- What is there in the files that cross-references Mrs Fenn's statement concerning who she heard crying (in her opinion it wasn't a baby of 2 years-old or less - if ever that was what she was actually asked), on what date, at what time, for how long?

- Has any reconstruction been done to check where the sound actually could have come from?

- Was the friend she phoned ever contacted by the PJ to establish the time (date)?

- Did anyone ever ask her whether she heard two gates open and closing ?

Now, let's start again with the questions I asked of you earlier.

You have yet to respond.

Try reading my earlier posts.

[slartibartfast]

Me too.

There is an abundance of evidence of checks by the whole group, including by waiters who recall having to return meals to the kitchen to re-heat because various members of the group were off checking the children, Jez Wikins' conversation with Gerry outside the apartment on the occasion of Gerry's check, the recollection of Steven Carpenter, who was in the restaurant the night Madeleine vanished and much else ....

None of which is proof of checks.

[Mr Gray]

None of which is proof of checks.

and where is the proof the checks were not made

[slartibartfast]

and where is the proof the checks were not made

Immaterial to ferryman's point.

[Alfred R Jones]

None of which is proof of checks.

What would you accept as proof of checks?

[slartibartfast]

What would you accept as proof of checks?

If anyone saw anyone enter the apartment.

[Alfred R Jones]

If anyone saw anyone enter the apartment.

That might provide proof of one check.  Would you need  every check to have been witnessed in order to verify that checks took place as frequently as claimed?

[G-Unit]

The tapas staff;

 STARIKOVA VITORINO (Russian citizen, with the telephone No "96635 ####) - kitchen assistant:
- Said that, yesterday, one individual, purportedly the father of the missing, left the dinner table where a group of friends (in number 8 or 9), for about 30 minutes.

 JOAQUIM JOSE MOREIRA BATISTA (residing at Rua Ilha Terceira, no. 15, Lagos, Telephone No 91 277 ####) - table employee [waiter].
- Of the group of 8/9 British citizens who dined at the restaurant last night, as usual, of which the parents of missing were part (he didn't know them) he noticed that two individuals left the table, of the male gender.
- The first to leave was about 40/45 years old (tall, skinny, white complexion, with large [a full head of] hair of color gray) and the period of his absence was about 15 minutes, being that they had to [re-]heat his food, which had cooled;
- The second to leave (about 40/45 years of age, having the physical characteristics of the first, but having less bulky hair) did so for about 30 minutes,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS-EMPLOYEES.htm

[slartibartfast]

That might provide proof of one check.  Would you need  every check to have been witnessed in order to verify that checks took place as frequently as claimed?

Yes.

[Alfred R Jones]

Yes.

So you'd only accept the impossible then, thanks.