"they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did" claim.

[stephen25000]

I remember that. That was originally from the Sol journalist who didn't understand what was on the piece of paper that flew out of a window into her waiting hands, thus perpetuating one of the most enduring myths that they drank 14 bottles of wine.

You can prove that of course ?

and who said it was 14 bottles that night ?

By 10 o'clock, if I recall correctly, on that fateful evening , it was 4 bottles that had been on the table.

[Carana]

You can prove that of course ?

and who said it was 14 bottles that night ?

By 10 o'clock, if I recall correctly, on that fateful evening , it was 4 bottles that had been on the table.

Four is hardly 14, is it?

The 14-bottle myth:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2040.0

[carlymichelle]

You can prove that of course ?

and who said it was 14 bottles that night ?

By 10 o'clock, if I recall correctly, on that fateful evening , it was 4 bottles that had been on the table.

thats still alot of wine in 2 hours it says in kates book that night they left   to go out about 8pm??

[stephen25000]

Four is hardly 14, is it?

The 14-bottle myth:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2040.0

14 bottles were not consumed that night, but as to other nights, not counting aperitifs of course, that's another story.

[Benice]

thats still alot of wine in 2 hours it says in kates book that night they left   to go out about 8pm??

The wine came with the meal.   The meal commenced approximately one hour before the alert was raised,

How could you possibly know how much wine had been consumed from those 4 bottles in approx one hour?  You would need to know how much wine was left in the bottles and how much wine was left in glasses when the alarm was raised to make any judgement. 

They were not out drinking.  They were eating a three course meal - which came with wine 

Not a single witness including the police claimed anyone was inebriated.   That should tell you something.





 

[pathfinder73]

Incorrect.      It was the 2nd May not the 1st when they stayed out later than usual and returned around midnight.  On the 1st they returned around 11.00p.m give or take 10 mins - according to your own quote from GM in an earlier post.

Not according to independent witnesses - tapas staff/Mrs Fenn and there was no crying on WED because Rachel heard nowt and the McCanns could hear their daughter next door in the mornings. So Rachel would hear crying for 75 minutes. It would be impossible for her not to hear what Mrs Fenn did if it happened that night. The crying night being changed leads to an abduction scenario and a predator being there. But they still go out the next night and poof like magic she's gone.

[stephen25000]

The wine came with the meal.   The meal commenced approximately one hour before the alert was raised,

How could you possibly know how much wine had been consumed from those 4 bottles in approx one hour?  You would need to know how much wine was left in the bottles and how much wine was left in glasses when the alarm was raised to make any judgement. 

They were not out drinking.  They were eating a three course meal - which came with wine 

Not a single witness including the police claimed anyone was inebriated.   That should tell you something.

So they would be eating for about 4 hours on the other nights ?

[slartibartfast]

IMO There is no proof of that libellous claim.     And if the times they gave -  showed it was impossible for them to be true - then SY's forensic analysis of the timelines would have revealed that.    Instead it showed the opposite - i.e. that there was clearly opportunity for an abduction to have taken place.

That's like saying that just because a shot from a gun ricocheted of 5 walls and hit someone in another house, that would be an obvious way to shoot someone.

[Mr Gray]

That's like saying that just because a shot from a gun ricocheted of 5 walls and hit someone in another house, that would be an obvious way to shoot someone.

No it would mean it is possible

[Benice]

Not according to independent witnesses - tapas staff/Mrs Fenn and there was no crying on WED because Rachel heard nowt and the McCanns could hear their daughter next door in the mornings. So Rachel would hear crying for 75 minutes. It would be impossible for her not to hear what Mrs Fenn did if it happened that night. The crying night being changed leads to an abduction scenario and a predator being there. But they still go out the next night and poof like magic she's gone.

I'm not sure what the above has got to do with my point that it was not midnight as you claimed when the McCanns returned on Tues 1st.   The waiters confirmed that it was only on the night of the 2nd when the group stayed later and left around midnight. 

As far as I am aware there is no corroborating evidence that it was Madeleine who Mrs. Fenn heard.   Even Amaral in his book refers to a person who claimed to hear Madeleine  (rather than 'a child')  crying  - as 'a neighbour'  - and does not mention Mrs Fenn by name.   One has to wonder why he didn't say Mrs. Fenn  named Madeleine as the child she heard crying in his book   Could it be because the PJ files would show that to be untrue?

Must go out now..

[Angelo222]

so, in your opinion Mrs Fenn's statement is proof?  How do you work that one out when her testimony was never examined in a court of law?

It doesn't matter what evidence we dig up from our limited resources and press inventions but the police investigated all this and stated in their final report to the public prosecutor that the checks story was suspect.  The public prosecutors thereafter stated it as fact in their archiving report to the Attorney General.  The links are all there at the top of page 1 so I suggest you read them.

We don't need to prove anything, the proper authorities in Portugal already did that.

[pathfinder73]

I'm not sure what the above has got to do with my point that it was not midnight as you claimed when the McCanns returned on Tues 1st.   The waiters confirmed that it was only on the night of the 2nd when the group stayed later and left around midnight. 

As far as I am aware there is no corroborating evidence that it was Madeleine who Mrs. Fenn heard.   Even Amaral in his book refers to a person who claimed to hear Madeleine  (rather than 'a child')  crying  - as 'a neighbour'  - and does not mention Mrs Fenn by name.   One has to wonder why he didn't say Mrs. Fenn  named Madeleine as the child she heard crying in his book   Could it be because the PJ files would show that to be untrue?

Must go out now..

That video I posted said they left at around midnight and was not referring to WED. We will see who the police think is the liar at the end of this case.

[ShiningInLuz]

From the Mail.

It seems to sum up certain attitudes.

' The group of nine were holidaying in Portugal and wanted to have a good time. As one of the doctors, Matthew Oldfield, was to recall: "We drank. So what! We were on holiday." '

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-474656/Madeleine-missing-hour-did-McCanns-check-children.html#ixzz3z08n7Z3q
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We should have a competition for the most erroneous account of what happened.  This would surely be a strong contender.

An article correcting the errors in it would quite possibly be as long as, or longer than, the original.

[Carana]

That video I posted said they left at around midnight and was not referring to WED. We will see who the police think is the liar at the end of this case.

How do know it wasn't the Wednesday evening (which is when they'd admitted a longer gap between checks)?

The unidentified voice says "they"... Who is they?

It's already known that the Paynes had their baby monitor and thus didn't do room checks.

[stephen25000]

We should have a competition for the most erroneous account of what happened.  This would surely be a strong contender.

An article correcting the errors in it would quite possibly be as long as, or longer than, the original.

So you can prove that quote is false ???