Twist in case of missing two-year-old DeOrr Kunz Jr as parents named suspects

[Mr Gray]

Agreed. Do you have an opinion on the 3 alerts by a cadaver dog on equipment at the beginning of the search?

if they are not corroborated ...they are meaningless

[Carana]

The missing child is Deorr Kunz
The missing child's father is Vernal Deorr Kunz
The missing child's paternal grandfather is Dennis Deorr Kunz who was not present on the camping trip.
It was DDK (not VDK) who contracted Klein to search.

Thanks for that. It still seems odd that he would blab to the media.

[pegasus]

I think this may be the cadaver dog team from Georgia Klein will be using.

http://americanshootingjournal.com/tag/cinco/

He used this lady in the Mollie Miller case.

Thanks Misty. Videos about their natural disaster work.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/05/25/dog-cadaver-animal-hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i16zX2AXFKE
Closure is important.

[pathfinder73]

Update 8:15 p.m.: Private investigator Phillip Klein has responded publicly to the letter from the Kunz family attorney. Klein issued the following state on the Klein Investigations and Consulting Facebook page:

This evening I have been forwarded a Press Release from Attorney Allen Browning. He now states he represents Dennis Deorr Kunz, Vernal Deorr Kunz and Jessica Mitchell. In Mr. Browning's two page statement he made some accusations. Publicly, I urge Mr. Browning before he files suit against us - to have a strong heart to heart conversation with his clients. As we have clearly documented, recorded, and saved every portion of the case. I urge him to visit and look at the evidence that has been provided to Law Enforcement before he does anything.

As for the accusations leveled against our firm - we make the following statements :

1) "The Truth is the ultimate defense."

2) Mr. Kunz has not spent any money on this case - the public has and a family member who made contact with our firm in tears and anger today has.

3) Mr. Kunz was fully informed that as a part of his contract with us - our firm would retain full control over the media relations. Today we release this letter to you the public.

4) Last Mr. Browning made some very serious statements regarding me and myself violating the law by "giving legal advice." This evening I have reviewed - and my legal counsel has reviewed the audio recording of the event Mr. Browning misstates. The events that are described by Mr. Browning on January 27, 2016 are not factual. In fact the meeting Mr. Browing references was a family meeting and briefing to which Vernal was not invited nor was Mr. Browning. Clearly, and without a doubt, Mr. Brownings statement is incorrect. I publicly ask Mr. Browning to retract his statement.

I further want to state publicy that I do not believe Mr. Browning is making these statements in any manner other than what his client at the time told him. I believe Mr. Browning is being misled. Again, the recording of the meeting and the description of the event Mr. Browning has described are not even close. We will reach out to Mr. Browning in the next 24 hours to provide him a copy of the recording before he files any suit. Again, we do not believe Mr. Browning is making his statements with anything other than misinformation by his clients. He has an obligation to do his duty to investigate before filing a suit. We again will reach out to him tomorrow.

We thank the public for their support. We will announce shortly our continued commitment to this case for finding baby DeOrr which has been our goal since day one.

http://www.localnews8.com/news/kunz-attorney-files-lawsuit-against-private-investigator/38328094

[pathfinder73]

NEDERLAND, Texas (KIFI/KIDK) -
Private investigator Philip R. Klein released a statement Monday about the ongoing DeOrr Kunz, Jr. case. The statement reads as follows:

In November of 2015 KIC Texas accepted the case of the missing child DeOrr Kunz, Jr., who went missing from a campground near Leadore, Idaho in July of 2015. There has been much speculation by the public, family members and the press regarding this young child's disappearance. Today we announce to the public and media the closing of phase three of our case and our conclusions to date. The following are our conclusions to date. The following are our conclusions regarding the case:

1. The conclusion by the civil investigation team of "what happened" to DeOrr Kunz, Jr. is officially death by accident/homicide.

2. The following person are "person of interest/suspects with direct knowledge."

A. Vernal DeOrr Kunz
B. Jessica Mitchell
C. Robert "Bob" Walton

3. The investigation continues regarding Isaac Reinwand - as he has begun to cooperate with Investigators and has given a further statement. Those claims are being evalutated at this time.

The final phase of our investigation will be recovery. We believe through evidence and witness statements we will be able to recover a body in this case. We continue to agree with Sheriff Bowerman and his statements of this past week as we too have had to deal with multiple stories and changes in facts by some of the witnesses whom were on the mountain during the timeline of events. We further agree with the law enforcement teams from around the United States that are involved in this case - that both Vernal Kunz and Jessica Mitchell know what happened on that mountain in July of 2015. We want the public to know that we believe through evidence the family members of Kunz, Mitchell and Walton ARE NOT involved - however - we believe they are too close to their family members and are in denial. The evidence is very clear.

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Private Investigator Phillip Klein tells Local News 8 and KIDK 3 Eyewitness News that "Every test the state of Idaho and the FBI has given the parents, they have failed."

"We are publicly asking both Vernal and Jessica to come forward and tell the true story. To stop lying, to stop misleading investigators, and lets bring this thing to a conclusion," said Klein.

The private investigative team will bring in a group of dogs from Georgia once the snow thaws "into a certain area of the lower part of the campground," said Klein. "That's all we're willing to say at this point. And we will begin an extensive ground search."

Local News 8 and KIDK Eyewitness News want to make it very clear that the statements above are solely sourced from Klein Investigation and Consulting. As of right now, no other law enforcement agency is releasing a statement agreeing with these statements.

We did reach out to the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office for comment, they simply said "It is a very active investigation, and it is a top priority to the Lemhi County Sheriff's Office."

http://www.localnews8.com/news/Private-investigator-in-DeOrr-Kunz-investigation-issues-statement/38263618

[pegasus]

"as a part of his contract with us - our firm would retain full control over the media relations"
So the PI is simply doing what he was contracted to do.

[misty]

http://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/private-detective-in-deorr-kunz-case-rehired-by-anonymous-client/article_f0c57fa3-8ae7-5785-9edc-d0287faeacba.html

4hrs ago

This week an attorney representing the parents of missing Idaho Falls boy DeOrr Kunz Jr. announced they had fired Klein Investigations and Consulting. In a written statement, the attorney also announced the child's family is pursuing a lawsuit against the private investigation firm for breach of contract and defamation.

But the Nederland, Texas-based company's CEO, Philip Klein, said his detectives won’t be leaving the case any time soon.

He told the Journal that he has been hired by an anonymous client to continue his investigation into what happened to DeOrr, who was reported missing from his family’s campsite in Lemhi County on July 10.

“We were rehired by somebody who wants this case to be resolved and wants to find out what happened to the missing boy,” Klein said. “But the new client does not want their name to be released out to the public.”
Though Klein wouldn’t say exactly where they would be searching, he did say it would be near the Timber Creek Campground, which is the mountain campsite located approximately 115 northwest of Idaho Falls where DeOrr was first reported missing last summer.

However, investigators will have to wait for the snow to melt before the area becomes accessible, which Klein said could take at least 30 more days.

A multi-faceted search of the area around the campground, near Leadore, was conducted in the month after the boy was reported missing. Despite the efforts of scuba divers, scent dogs, horseback riders, emergency responders,  dozens of volunteers, and searchers on a helicopter and ATVs, DeOrr was never found.

Klein also said that Texas Equusearch, a search and rescue organization devoted to finding missing persons, and a team of cadaver dogs from Georgia will be traveling to Idaho within the next couple months to search for DeOrr's remains. Klein believes DeOrr is likely deceased.
Though Klein wouldn’t say exactly where they would be searching, he did say it would be near the Timber Creek Campground, which is the mountain campsite located approximately 115 northwest of Idaho Falls where DeOrr was first reported missing last summer.

However, investigators will have to wait for the snow to melt before the area becomes accessible, which Klein said could take at least 30 more days......

*snipped as rest of article repeats previous info.

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(I don't think I've ever come across a more irritating website than the above)

[pegasus]

“they have torn that creek upside down"

"your whole world could be changed and turned upside down forever"

"moment my life went from great to upside down"

[misty]

“they have torn that creek upside down"

"your whole world could be changed and turned upside down forever"

"moment my life went from great to upside down"

His own language idiosyncrasy or words based on a memory fixed in his mind? Not sure.
The more I read on other US forums the more doubts I have about what actually happened.
Mother has history.
Registered female sex offender employed at diner/bar in Leadore. Another male one employed as a Ranger in the area.

Snipped from IR interview with East Idaho News 26/1/16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNCm3rvqwTA&ebc=ANyPxKqIxIR5xw-FqgxJ5r28PjPSo0hOcnXR_J7IdU4lw6tdiG2--mAsM7WQ5oOShQ7EvG6icP2REfnTwiD_W667mw0Z3YEciA

"If Deorr & Jessica were arrested today, what would you say?"
"I'd say....I'd really be surprised...because I wouldn't think someone... people...somebody like those two would do something like that.."

Something like what?

[pathfinder73]

Former Kunz Private Investigator Frank Vilt Speaks

[misty]

Former Kunz Private Investigator Frank Vilt Speaks

JM hadn't exactly given up custody of her 2 other children. They were allegedly taken from her following abuse (an anonymous source on another forum).
I'm still trying to establish whose idea it was to go camping at this particular campsite.

[pegasus]

(snip) language idiosyncrasy ...? ..(snip)

Possibly regional (state) language idiosyncrasy.
Or upsidedown could be relevant, which is not impossible IYTAI

[misty]

Possibly regional (state) language idiosyncrasy.
Or upsidedown could be relevant, which is not impossible IYTAI

I don't know.
The road up out of the camp - there is a lot of hard flat rock there - unsuitable for burying anything. It's hard to understand why the dogs didn't find anything. I wonder if the searchers looked up, into the trees themselves?

 The early video of IR at his home last year - very Jame Gumb.

[pathfinder73]

15 JULY 2015 - The Campsite and Creek

[Carana]

I haven't been following this closely.

Was the PI's statement that a dog had alerted WITH equipment referring to a potential sounding of the reservoir, but which only led to someone scattering the cremains of a loved one? Or not?


2:13
*Nate Eaton*:
“Talk a little bit about the cremains that were dumped into, because the dogs were getting a scent…”

*Sheriff Bowerman:*
“Right! Unbeknownst to us while we were doing our grid search, someone came in and wanted to deposit cremains of a loved one at that site, and I’m assuming it’s a favorite site of their loved one, and without thinking, they deposited cremains, not realizing they were in the middle of a crime scene and what it would do. Within a couple days our dogs were telling us we need to spend more time up at the reservoir, and so we dove it for 2-3 more days and put side-scan sonar, and then we find out from one of our BLM (?) Rangers that they stopped this individual coming out and were informed they had deposited some cremains in the reservoir.”

3:04
*Nate Eaton*:
“Had he…had Deorr been in the reservoir, his body would have been recovered by now?”

3:11
*Sheriff Bowerman:*
“We believe so. Yeah. We really believe so. Mmm hmm.”

http://www.thesourcepublishing.com/missing-persons-idaho-deorr-kunz-jr/transcript-uncut-sheriff/