Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[Alfred R Jones]

I think you could give me lessons in rudeness Alfred! I have said what I think and if you disagree fair enough, I wouldn't expect you to criticise them no matter what they did. I'm not dishonest and don't have anything to admit, so please don't accuse me of lying.

I didn't accuse you of lying, I said it's a shame you can't be honest and admit that this (non) issue has F all to do with any reason for doubting the McCanns version of events.

[ShiningInLuz]

Has anyone come up with a convincing abduction theory yet?
One which acknowledges the police and Mr Hill saying there was no sign of a break in.

I have.  A convincing abduction theory which acknowledges the police and has Mr Hill saying there was no sign of a break in.

Out of the possibilities on my table, this one is the favourite.

But I am happy to leave the other possibilities on my table as I cannot get close to proving my convincing abduction theory.  Not to myself, let alone anyone else.

[ShiningInLuz]

there is no workable theory that involves the parents

There is a workable theory that involves the parents.

It just happens to be extremely unlikely.

[Alfred R Jones]

There is a workable theory that involves the parents.

It just happens to be extremely unlikely.

Then it's not really workable is it?

[Alice Purjorick]

yup.

To paraphrase Delia Smith:
"OK then let's be 'avin yer"

[ShiningInLuz]

Then it's not really workable is it?

When I say it is workable, but not likely, please do not try to turn it into something else.

My statement says something about me.  Your twist says something about you.

I will stick with it is workable, but not likely.

You can go your own way. (Go your own way.)

You can call it another lonely day.

[Brietta]

When I say it is workable, but not likely, please do not try to turn it into something else.

My statement says something about me.  Your twist says something about you.

I will stick with it is workable, but not likely.

You can go your own way. (Go your own way.)

You can call it another lonely day.

I haven't heard a theory which involves the parents and /or their holiday companions which is either likely or workable.

Some of them are so convoluted and bizarre one wonders what universe their proponents have come from.

The huge movement against the abduction theory arose initially because of a total misunderstanding of the operation of the shutters.

Everyone from the PJ to passing bloggers insisted they could not be opened from outside.  Therefore the 'badly told story' of jemmied shutters became common currency.
Until two prominent sceptics demonstrated the shutter of 5A could be raised from outside and Heri demonstrated exactly how simple it was to raise the shutter from outside and ensure it remained raised the impossibility became possible.
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

[pathfinder73]

How you can be in two places at once is workable and it was. It's actually shown in "Evil under the Sun" on ITV now. You change the time

[ShiningInLuz]

I haven't heard a theory which involves the parents and /or their holiday companions which is either likely or workable.

Some of them are so convoluted and bizarre one wonders what universe their proponents have come from.

The huge movement against the abduction theory arose initially because of a total misunderstanding of the operation of the shutters.

Everyone from the PJ to passing bloggers insisted they could not be opened from outside.  Therefore the 'badly told story' of jemmied shutters became common currency.
Until two prominent sceptics demonstrated the shutter of 5A could be raised from outside and Heri demonstrated exactly how simple it was to raise the shutter from outside and ensure it remained raised the impossibility became possible.
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

The shutter happens to be important.

The state of the shutter (open) increases the probability that 'the McCanns dun it' and decreases the probability that someone external was involved, obviously IMO.  Personally, I would love to see the result of a lie-detector test, by Kate, on the state of the shutter.  Clearly not admissible in court.  Shutter up?  Complex scene not suggesting abduction.  Shutter down?  Simple scene, weighted heavily in favour of abduction.

[misty]

How you can be in two places at once is workable and it was. It's actually shown in "Evil under the Sun" on ITV now. You change the time

That's brilliant, Pathfinder.      %&5%£

Was the time altered backwards or forwards?

[Brietta]

The shutter happens to be important.

The state of the shutter (open) increases the probability that 'the McCanns dun it' and decreases the probability that someone external was involved, obviously IMO.  Personally, I would love to see the result of a lie-detector test, by Kate, on the state of the shutter.  Clearly not admissible in court.  Shutter up?  Complex scene not suggesting abduction.  Shutter down?  Simple scene, weighted heavily in favour of abduction.

I disagree.

In the unlikely event the Drs McCann "dunnit" I would expect them to have come up with a more convincing scenario than the actual crime scene was.

They did not know the the shutters could be raised from outside.
Hence the wrecking of the carefully staged scene ... by lowering them???  Had they staged it, they would have at the least made sure the shutter really had been 'jemmied' and Madeleine's bed disturbed.
They are not stupid.

However, there remains the small problem of hiding the remains of a nearly four year old child.  The difficulty of which you have already rehearsed.

We now know there was a lot going on in the area as regards home invasions the importance of which seemed only to have become a concern with the advent of Scotland Yard's arrival on the scene.

Madeleine resort man 'suspicion' Daily Mirror

By Martin Fricker
5/03/2010

DOSSIER

Portuguese police ignored warnings from UK cops about a suspicious British worker at the resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.

They urged them to investigate him after a tourist, who stayed at a sister complex with her girl, nine, in 2006, accused him of inappropriate sexual innuendoes.

The holiday worker, who cannot be named, also met Kate and Gerry McCann on their stay at the Praia da Luz resort. The woman from Leicestershire came forward in 2008 and said he entered her villa uninvited while she slept with her girl, claiming the air conditioning needed repairing.

Police sent a report to Portuguese cops but they had already shelved the case. A 2,000-page dossier obtained by the Mirror also revealed a Norwegian man reported seeing Madeleine with a man in a restaurant in St Valentin, Austria, in 2007. He said the girl, about four, pleaded "help me!" walking by their table.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Dossier.htm


There are too many loose ends emanating from the original investigation to place any faith at all in the case coordinator's  vain attempt to save face by his subtle and not so subtle accusations to shift blame onto two of the victims of the case.

Some of which may very well have been the need to close the case expeditiously before anyone connected the case of a missing girl from Figueira with the case of a missing girl in Luz.

[ShiningInLuz]

I disagree.

In the unlikely event the Drs McCann "dunnit" I would expect them to have come up with a more convincing scenario than the actual crime scene was.

They did not know the the shutters could be raised from outside.
Hence the wrecking of the carefully staged scene ... by lowering them???  Had they staged it, they would have at the least made sure the shutter really had been 'jemmied' and Madeleine's bed disturbed.
They are not stupid.

However, there remains the small problem of hiding the remains of a nearly four year old child.  The difficulty of which you have already rehearsed.

We now know there was a lot going on in the area as regards home invasions the importance of which seemed only to have become a concern with the advent of Scotland Yard's arrival on the scene.

Madeleine resort man 'suspicion' Daily Mirror

By Martin Fricker
5/03/2010

DOSSIER

Portuguese police ignored warnings from UK cops about a suspicious British worker at the resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared.

They urged them to investigate him after a tourist, who stayed at a sister complex with her girl, nine, in 2006, accused him of inappropriate sexual innuendoes.

The holiday worker, who cannot be named, also met Kate and Gerry McCann on their stay at the Praia da Luz resort. The woman from Leicestershire came forward in 2008 and said he entered her villa uninvited while she slept with her girl, claiming the air conditioning needed repairing.

Police sent a report to Portuguese cops but they had already shelved the case. A 2,000-page dossier obtained by the Mirror also revealed a Norwegian man reported seeing Madeleine with a man in a restaurant in St Valentin, Austria, in 2007. He said the girl, about four, pleaded "help me!" walking by their table.
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Dossier.htm


There are too many loose ends emanating from the original investigation to place any faith at all in the case coordinator's  vain attempt to save face by his subtle and not so subtle accusations to shift blame onto two of the victims of the case.

Some of which may very well have been the need to close the case expeditiously before anyone connected the case of a missing girl from Figueira with the case of a missing girl in Luz.

I agree with your disagreement.

One problem with the incident scene, as described by Kate McCann, could have been known of.  By this, I mean the shutters could be raised from the outside.

1) The Mccanns tested it in advance.  Thus probably making them guilty of a serious crime indeed.

2) It was tested as per Kate's book.  Gerry lowered the shutter, raced outside, and tested the shutter.  It would seem he did not trust Kate's version of events, but that is not significant.

I would love that Kate McCann takes a lie detector test about solely the state of the apartment when she did her check.  Not admissible in court,  But I would love to have more surety about this.

I would also love to see a lie detector test about how the checks were conducted.  Here is my prediction.  The T9 would fail.  What does this mean, apart from the T9 not telling the truth?

MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR ABDUCTION.

It is easier to pencil in abduction if the shutter was not open, and there were not frequent checks.  With an open shutter and frequent checks, it makes it much tougher to make abduction feasible.

[Mr Gray]

I agree with your disagreement.

One problem with the incident scene, as described by Kate McCann, could have been known of.  By this, I mean the shutters could be raised from the outside.

1) The Mccanns tested it in advance.  Thus probably making them guilty of a serious crime indeed.

2) It was tested as per Kate's book.  Gerry lowered the shutter, raced outside, and tested the shutter.  It would seem he did not trust Kate's version of events, but that is not significant.

I would love that Kate McCann takes a lie detector test about solely the state of the apartment when she did her check.  Not admissible in court,  But I would love to have more surety about this.

I would also love to see a lie detector test about how the checks were conducted.  Here is my prediction.  The T9 would fail.  What does this mean, apart from the T9 not telling the truth?

MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR ABDUCTION.

It is easier to pencil in abduction if the shutter was not open, and there were not frequent checks.  With an open shutter and frequent checks, it makes it much tougher to make abduction feasible.

Lie detectors are unreliable....you apparent desire to see them used casts doubt on your credibility. If they were of any use they would have been used.

I have said for along time that if the McCanns are telling the truth and the shutters were open then Maddie was almost certainly abducted...it really is that simple...

[Mr Gray]

There is a workable theory that involves the parents.

It just happens to be extremely unlikely.

Your theory...like any other is subjective...post details and lets see if it holds water... I doubt it will but am happy to be proved wrong

[G-Unit]

I didn't accuse you of lying, I said it's a shame you can't be honest and admit that this (non) issue has F all to do with any reason for doubting the McCanns version of events.

I can't work out whether you really don't understand or whether you're doing it deliberately. Think what you like, I'm not wasting any more time on you.