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stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #405 on: February 14, 2016, 07:32:09 PM »
I care to remind you that the Drs McCann enjoy the right to the presumption of innocence.  If you wish to remind members of something which has caught your attention ... feel free to share, that is what constitutes all that is best about a discussion forum.


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Jim Gamble, let’s get one obvious question out of the way, first-up: from everything you know personally about the McCanns and the case, do you believe they had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance?

JIM GAMBLE, FMR HEAD, CHILD PROTECTION CENTRE (CEOP): If it ever came out that either of the McCanns were involved in this, I will be absolutely shocked.

KERRY O’BRIEN: Why do you say that?

JIM GAMBLE: Well, from everything I know about it, it’s not that as a professional police officer they wouldn’t have been first on my list of suspects, because actually, of course they would – they’re the parents, they were there, they had last access.

But having been involved in the periphery to a greater or lesser degree on different occasions with this case, having met the McCanns, (** which Mr Amaral neglected to do **) having seen their children Sean and Amelie around them, I just would be shocked. There’s nothing which gives me that feeling; there’s no evidence which makes me feel that they are in any way complicit in the disappearance. But I’m a human being, you know, and we can err. I’m simply saying that I would be shocked if either one of them were proven to be involved in any way in this.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/05/17/3504848.htm

** words in blue are mine

Gamble wasn't there when Madeleine disappeared.

People lie.

Now what did Gamble say about Murat ?

Have you forgotten ?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #406 on: February 14, 2016, 07:38:58 PM »
Gamble wasn't there when Madeleine disappeared.

People lie.

Now what did Gamble say about Murat ?

Have you forgotten ?

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #407 on: February 14, 2016, 07:39:59 PM »
Oh by the way Brietta,  what did Gamble say about the behaviour of Brunt as regards  his pursuit of Brenda Leyland ?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #408 on: February 14, 2016, 07:54:16 PM »
Gamble wasn't there when Madeleine disappeared.

People lie.

Now what did Gamble say about Murat ?

Have you forgotten ?

Whatever happened to all the holiday photos Gamble appealed for? Did anything useful come of that? Nobody knows. Note the phrase about jigsaw pieces; now where have I heard that before?  &%+((£

Mr Gamble asked for families who had been on holiday in the area to examine their snaps again. "We can utilise the latest technology to build a larger intelligence picture," he said. "By taking in pictures from the public we can move the investigation forward - looking for people who might seem out of place or behaving strangely. No matter how small or insignificant the information may seem to you, it could be the missing part of the jigsaw, so let us decide if it is important."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #409 on: February 14, 2016, 07:56:01 PM »
to get aproper picture you would need to look at the social background...mental health...drug habits etc ..etc...of teh "parents" involved

Very true. Unlikely to be able to make comparisons.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #410 on: February 14, 2016, 07:56:25 PM »
Gamble wasn't there when Madeleine disappeared.

People lie.

Now what did Gamble say about Murat ?

Have you forgotten ?

You appear to be under the misapprehension that a person of Jim Gamble's expertise could somehow be mesmerised to ignore professional practice that Madeleine's parents would as a matter of course be the first people to be investigated to be ruled in or ruled out of the investigation.

That would be a priority for him in the conduct of a scoping exercise the results of which were to be presented to the then Home Secretary.

Very heavy stuff in my opinion.

This man was not going to be left with egg on his face ~ he was working on behalf of the Home Office and as such would scrutinise the evidence very closely indeed.
He found nothing to implicate Madeleine's parents in her disappearance.

That in conjunction with  the Drs McCann right to the presumption of innocence appears to me to be a bit of a clincher.

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KERRY O’BRIEN: Now, if I understand your position correctly, if you had been conducting an investigation like this, you’d have started with the parents and taken a very quick look and either established there was something suspicious, or you’d have ruled them out and moved on.

Now, if I understand it correctly, the Portuguese were kind of the other way around.
It took them some time to suddenly develop the view that the McCanns might have been suspicious.

JIM GAMBLE: Well, I think that’s a fair assessment.

When we carried out the scoping review, in order to be fair, what we did was, we said, “Let’s take a sleepy seaside town somewhere in the UK, and imagine that, you know, late in the evening, a couple had come to us who didn’t speak English as their first language, and who were Portuguese and said, ‘Look, our child has gone missing'”.

I think what we accepted immediately is we would have faced a complicated scenario similar to that which the Portuguese did.

You’re not sure whether the child has simply walked away or been taken away, and it does take a period of time to get that information together, so there were clearly difficulties, and we would all face those.

In the immediate aftermath, the systematic approach is what is key, and certainly as professional detectives, we use the phrase “clear the ground beneath your feet”.

Look at that which is immediately in front of you first of all. And the only difference between the Portuguese and myself would have been that the first suspects that I would have looked at would have been the parents.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/05/17/3504848.htm

"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #411 on: February 14, 2016, 08:04:22 PM »
You appear to be under the misapprehension that a person of Jim Gamble's expertise could somehow be mesmerised to ignore professional practice that Madeleine's parents would as a matter of course be the first people to be investigated to be ruled in or ruled out of the investigation.

That would be a priority for him in the conduct of a scoping exercise the results of which were to be presented to the then Home Secretary.

Very heavy stuff in my opinion.

This man was not going to be left with egg on his face ~ he was working on behalf of the Home Office and as such would scrutinise the evidence very closely indeed.
He found nothing to implicate Madeleine's parents in her disappearance.

That in conjunction with  the Drs McCann right to the presumption of innocence appears to me to be a bit of a clincher.

**Snip
KERRY O’BRIEN: Now, if I understand your position correctly, if you had been conducting an investigation like this, you’d have started with the parents and taken a very quick look and either established there was something suspicious, or you’d have ruled them out and moved on.

Now, if I understand it correctly, the Portuguese were kind of the other way around.
It took them some time to suddenly develop the view that the McCanns might have been suspicious.

JIM GAMBLE: Well, I think that’s a fair assessment.

When we carried out the scoping review, in order to be fair, what we did was, we said, “Let’s take a sleepy seaside town somewhere in the UK, and imagine that, you know, late in the evening, a couple had come to us who didn’t speak English as their first language, and who were Portuguese and said, ‘Look, our child has gone missing'”.

I think what we accepted immediately is we would have faced a complicated scenario similar to that which the Portuguese did.

You’re not sure whether the child has simply walked away or been taken away, and it does take a period of time to get that information together, so there were clearly difficulties, and we would all face those.

In the immediate aftermath, the systematic approach is what is key, and certainly as professional detectives, we use the phrase “clear the ground beneath your feet”.

Look at that which is immediately in front of you first of all. And the only difference between the Portuguese and myself would have been that the first suspects that I would have looked at would have been the parents.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/05/17/3504848.htm

You can snip to your hearts content.

I don't trust his judgement one iota.

Likewise, anyone can research Gamble on the Internet and his 'views' on the case.



Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #412 on: February 14, 2016, 08:11:10 PM »
How does someone evaluate a source as being reliable
An important question
How does someone assess the reliability of evidence
Similar question
It is a skill.... Some of us have learnt this skill through our professional careers
I would count myself as one of them
Please feel free to count yourself as one of whatever you wish to be counted of.  I considerate your right to be counted as you consider appropriate is your right.

As to 'some of us' feel free to explain the selection criteria.  Currently as clear as mud.

As to 'professional careers', feel free to explain the selection criteria.  Currently as clear as mud.
What's up, old man?

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #413 on: February 14, 2016, 08:18:18 PM »
Now that is an interesting test, is it not?  One genuinely worthy of consideration?

I tend to think of Wikipedia as a starter on 1 out of 10.  Good intro to a the general subject. Not one I would like to rely on in a crunch.

It is difficult to define what is out, simply because there is so much that is out.  Tabloids.  Conspiracy forums.

Hmm, does my blog pass this acid test?  I'm not sure that it does.

Could we try a simpler test?  Is there anything more convincing than the Human Beast on this topic?  Or are we reliant on the Human Beast?

http://www.1itl.com/news/317/


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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #414 on: February 14, 2016, 08:26:26 PM »
Oh by the way Brietta,  what did Gamble say about the behaviour of Brunt as regards  his pursuit of Brenda Leyland ?

He was after RM for sure and I very rarely post on twitter but I sent him a reply to a tweet he did about the case ages ago. Remember this time 2203 when this case is over.

And he blocked me  @)(++(* That revealed everything cheers Jim  8((()*/
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #415 on: February 14, 2016, 08:29:01 PM »
http://www.1itl.com/news/317/


The UK regulation of the use of polygraphs varies depending on the context. In the criminal justice system, polygraph tests are not admissible as evidence. However, such tests have been piloted and continued to be used in the UK for the management of sex offenders. Their use for such purposes is regulated by the Polygraph Rules 2009. Under these rules, the Secretary of State can require certain offenders released on licence to undergo polygraph testing to monitor compliance with the terms of a licence and to improve offender management.
Thank you.  Very informative.
What's up, old man?

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #416 on: February 14, 2016, 08:39:11 PM »
He was after RM for sure and I very rarely post on twitter but I sent him a reply to a tweet he did about the case ages ago. Remember this time 2203 when this case is over.

And he blocked me  @)(++(* That revealed everything cheers Jim  8((()*/

Thanks for that Pathfinder. 8((()*/

He was definitely after Murat, no doubt on that.
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Offline Carana

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #417 on: February 14, 2016, 08:43:05 PM »
Thanks for that Pathfinder. 8((()*/

He was definitely after Gamble, no doubt on that.

Who was?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #418 on: February 14, 2016, 08:58:22 PM »
Please feel free to count yourself as one of whatever you wish to be counted of.  I considerate your right to be counted as you consider appropriate is your right.

As to 'some of us' feel free to explain the selection criteria.  Currently as clear as mud.

As to 'professional careers', feel free to explain the selection criteria.  Currently as clear as mud.

some of us...selection criteria...have you ever been taught how to evaluate evidence...

some will say yes...some will say no...that's where we start...try googling..."how to evaluate evidence"


as for professional career...some evaluate evidence routinely in their profession

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #419 on: February 14, 2016, 09:19:13 PM »
some of us...selection criteria...have you ever been taught how to evaluate evidence...

some will say yes...some will say no...that's where we start...try googling..."how to evaluate evidence"


as for professional career...some evaluate evidence routinely in their profession

I evaluated your evidence earlier as to what Redwood said. You had none.
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