Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[G-Unit]

If I may...?

There are three main possibilities

Woke and wandered
Parents dun it (whatever "it" is)
Abducted.

The initial investigation, conducted by Amaral, and then Rebelo and lasting the best part of 15 months, to a significant extent focussed on the McCanns. 

This was while the case was still in the relatively early stages.  And came up with absolutely nothing that implicated the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter. 

So yes, I would suggest that there is evidence that the theory that the "McCanns dun it" has been investigated and found wanting. 

And I also suggest that SY et al, having has the opportunity to review that evidence might want to adopt a different starting point - i.e. abduction.

It is often said that the original investigation was useless. The investigators themselves admitted they were less than perfect. Are you suggesting that Operation Grange found nothing wrong, nothing missed, no mistakes whatsoever in the PJ's investigation of the parents? The PJ got that right, did they? Well, that's nice to know.

One of the things the PJ should have done was nail the timeline. They didn't. SY have said they have 'forensically examined' the timeline. Perhaps someone could explain how they could do that without checking that it was correctly reported? There are statements in the files which place the alarm much earlier than 10pm. There is no evidence showing any further investigation to explain these differences.

[Alfred R Jones]

It is often said that the original investigation was useless. The investigators themselves admitted they were less than perfect. Are you suggesting that Operation Grange found nothing wrong, nothing missed, no mistakes whatsoever in the PJ's investigation of the parents? The PJ got that right, did they? Well, that's nice to know.

One of the things the PJ should have done was nail the timeline. They didn't. SY have said they have 'forensically examined' the timeline. Perhaps someone could explain how they could do that without checking that it was correctly reported? There are statements in the files which place the alarm much earlier than 10pm. There is no evidence showing any further investigation to explain these differences.

As many "sceptics" believe a physical reconstruction would have revealed the true timeline, then why not a timeline arrived at via forensic examination using software designed for this purpose?

[stephen25000]

As many "sceptics" believe a physical reconstruction would have revealed the true timeline, then why not a timeline arrived at via forensic examination using software designed for this purpose?

Does such software exist ?

and what good would the software be if false information if such a program was run ?

[G-Unit]

There were two sets of curtains.  Which ones are you referring to?

The crime scene photographs show open curtains. I don't know how you refer to window treatments but I say 'Curtains' and 'Net's' or 'Net curtains'. Kate refers to 'curtains' throughout, no mention of net curtains at all. I assume, therefore, when she describes curtains 'whooshing' she is referring to the main curtains. If it were the net curtains she was speaking of I assume she would have said so.

[Alfred R Jones]

The crime scene photographs show open curtains. I don't know how you refer to window treatments but I say 'Curtains' and 'Net's' or 'Net curtains'. Kate refers to 'curtains' throughout, no mention of net curtains at all. I assume, therefore, when she describes curtains 'whooshing' she is referring to the main curtains. If it were the net curtains she was speaking of I assume she would have said so.

why would you assume that?  I thought you had trained yourself not to assume anything.

[Alice Purjorick]

Does such software exist ?

and what good would the software be if false information if such a program was run ?

There is this school of thought, which sadly has existed for about 30 years and shows no sign of abating, that believes if you have a battery of people inputting data into a battery of computers then as if by magic a complete multi million pound building will appear just down the road.

[G-Unit]

As many "sceptics" believe a physical reconstruction would have revealed the true timeline, then why not a timeline arrived at via forensic examination using software designed for this purpose?

You would need to factor in 6 statements from outside the group which suggest the alarm was raised before 10pm as well as the 6 from the group which said (on 4th) that it was 10pm.

In the next set of interviews 5 people gave a time for the alarm;  2 said 10pm, two said between 9.50 and 10pm and one said 10.03.

In the rogs 1 person said 10pm and 3 said between 9.45 and 10pm.

In the first interviews everyone agreed on the time. Later the time given became earlier.

If we look at the written timeline everyone was at the Tapas restaurant at 8.45pm. Then the Payne's arrival was changed to almost 9pm in the statements. This was not supported by the waiter or by Steve Carpenter, the only independent witnesses.

Some see the differences as normal. I see times being moved to later than they happened, including the time of the alarm..

[stephen25000]

There is this school of thought, which sadly has existed for about 30 years and shows no sign of abating, that believes if you have a battery of people inputting data into a battery of computers then as if by magic a complete multi million pound building will appear just down the road.

and as likely as the plans to build a 4 Km building in Japan, has of  getting off the ground, metaphorically or otherwise.

[pathfinder73]

There were two sets of curtains.  Which ones are you referring to?

The only curtains seen.

[Mr Gray]

The only curtains seen.

these curtains are open but could whoosh with a gust

[Mr Gray]

You would need to factor in 6 statements from outside the group which suggest the alarm was raised before 10pm as well as the 6 from the group which said (on 4th) that it was 10pm.

In the next set of interviews 5 people gave a time for the alarm;  2 said 10pm, two said between 9.50 and 10pm and one said 10.03.

In the rogs 1 person said 10pm and 3 said between 9.45 and 10pm.

In the first interviews everyone agreed on the time. Later the time given became earlier.

If we look at the written timeline everyone was at the Tapas restaurant at 8.45pm. Then the Payne's arrival was changed to almost 9pm in the statements. This was not supported by the waiter or by Steve Carpenter, the only independent witnesses.

Some see the differences as normal. I see times being moved to later than they happened, including the time of the alarm..

SY had no problem with the discrepancies as they stated the mccanns and Friends were not suspects

[G-Unit]

these curtains are open but could whoosh with a gust

But they whooshed when they were closed. The open ones didn't whoosh.

[Mr Gray]

But they whooshed when they were closed. The open ones didn't whoosh.

could you give me a link so I can look at the statement myself
...thanks

[misty]

But they whooshed when they were closed. The open ones didn't whoosh.

That's because the window shown in the photo was closed.

[Mr Gray]

lets see if we can debunk the whooshing curtains once and for all...in a very civilised manner of course