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Offline xtina

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #810 on: February 19, 2016, 10:35:21 AM »
So what do you think this involves "The careful and critical analysis of the time line has been absolutely key"?  Not checking, rechecking, interviewing, reinterviewing and using every tool available be it specially created software, or skilled professional resources?


yes well the timeline they gave was impossible ....same as the abduction

that is why they changed the timeline over and over again ....wouldn't you have thought ...seeing it was the first thing they did .[not out looking for maddie]...to get there stories right ....[and ripping apart maddies sticker book]...they would have least got it right ...the first time ...
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #811 on: February 19, 2016, 10:39:34 AM »

yes well the timeline they gave was impossible ....same as the abduction

that is why they changed the timeline over and over again ....wouldn't you have thought ...seeing it was the first thing they did .[not out looking for maddie]...to get there stories right ....[and ripping apart maddies sticker book]...they would have least got it right ...the first time ...

You have it in one Xtina.


..and good policing and investigative work would have pulled their stories apart.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #812 on: February 19, 2016, 10:40:16 AM »
Processos Vol X

Pages 2533 - 2534

Service Information

Date: 2007/09/03

For : Goncalo Amaral

From Ricardo Paiva, Inspector

Subject: Disappearance of Madeleine McCann

During the course of the ongoing investigation, various personal contacts were made by the undersigned with Kate and Gerald McCann, within my task of serving as communication element between the police and the McCann couple.

Within this context, the undersigned was present during various “strange“ behaviours by the couple, who gradually began to react in a very negative manner to the increased investigative activity carried out by this police force, especially during the use of the English sniffer dogs for detecting cadaver odour, when more evidence arose in the investigation for the hypothesis of the death of Madeleine McCann.

Several times, the McCann couple said that the attention of the police should be maintained focussing on the abduction hypothesis, which, in the couple’s opinion, was the only scenario that occurred and that the police should not forget to continue to investigate the suspect Robert Murat.

Strangely, Kate also made several requests, three months after the disappearance of Madeleine, that the police should take blood, hair and nail tests of Madeleine’s twin siblings, because, as she said, she remembered that on the day of Madeleine’s disappearance, in spite of all the commotion and noise made by the authorities and other persons who were looking for Madeleine in apartment 5ª of the OC, the twins never woke up, having been transported to another apartment, they remained asleep, due to which she now presumes that they were under the effect of some sedative drug that a presumed abductor had administered to the three children in order to be able to abduct Madeleine, a situation which Kate refers to being possible according to what she read in a criminal investigation manual given to her by the British authorities, that would have been the procedure of the abductor in the real case involving abduction, rape and murder of the girl.

Today, when the undersigned went to the McCann’s temporary residence to notify them of the need to present themselves at the police station to make statements, being able to take their lawyer with them, Kate McCann immediately reacted in a negative manner, making comments such as “what are my parents going to think” and “what is the press going to say when they find out” and that “the Portuguese police is under pressure from the government to finish the investigation quickly”.

With regard to Gerald McCann, he constantly insisted in giving the undersigned letters and emails that he was receiving, mostly from psychics and mediums, whom he had selected and which mainly contained information without much credibility about the possible whereabouts of Madeleine and her presumed abductor.

More recently, and even before Kate’s interrogation, during a telephone call between Gerald McCann and the undersigned, he made a reference regarding the investigation, that he was certain that the police did not have any proof that could incriminate them with regard to the death of Madeleine McCann and he said that the police were wasting their time in directing the investigation around the parents.

I bring this to your knowledge.
Inspector
Ricardo Paiva
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline xtina

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #813 on: February 19, 2016, 11:20:50 AM »
You have it in one Xtina.


..and good policing and investigative work would have pulled their stories apart.







exactly

i do think anyone with any commonsense would tear there stories apart .....like English police did at the beginning.....but it seems they were told what to do

luckily ...we are not.
Always listen to both sides of the story before you judge.

The first storyteller you will always find has modified the story, for there benefit BE WISE.

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #814 on: February 19, 2016, 11:22:36 AM »






exactly

i do think anyone with any commonsense would tear there stories apart .....like English police did at the beginning.....but it seems they were told what to do

luckily ...we are not.

Exactly.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #815 on: February 19, 2016, 11:26:59 AM »
There seem to be a few problems with some of these times, though.


When questioned about the disappearance, she says she heard about it on that night at about 22.00 when an English tourist arrived at the Millenium restaurant to ask whether anyone had seen a lost little girl.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARIA_ROSA.htm


But

Concerning the events being investigated, when he was working his normal shift from 16.00 to 24.00 an individual, tall and of British nationality, appeared in the restaurant at about 22.30/22.45, who asked him whether he had seen a little girl who had disappeared, describing her as blonde and three years old and that she was probably wearing pyjamas.

The witness and his colleague, Maria de Fatima, replied that they hadn't, upon which the individual ran out.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID_SANTOS.htm

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The only Maria de Fatima's in the files are cleaners, none of whom were at the Millenium at night unless they were there as customers, not colleagues. There could have been more than one person going to the Millenium, did they all know Dan Stuck?

Shortly after he heard the news, a Mark Warner tennis instructor arrived at the Millenium and they went to search for the child together by the swimming pool and tennis courts. As they did not find Madeleine he phoned Luis de Barros, the head waiter who was on his day off to inform him. The latter arrived shortly afterwards and together they searched until about 05.00 AM.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NELSON_RODRIGUEZ.htm


He heard about the news being investigated on the evening of 3rd May at about 21.30 - 21.40 from P**** B******, a Dutchman and owner of the Atlantico restaurant, who passed by the witness near the Baptista supermarket, in P da L and who asked for his help in searching for Madeleine.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BAREND_WEIJDOM.htm


I can't find a statement by Paul Wortelboer (the owner of the Atlantico) in the files to corroborate that.

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Neither can I, a serious lack imo


Dinner would end at about 21.45, a few minutes later the witness looked at the table and saw that there was nobody there and one of his colleagues told them that all the guests had left the table in a hurry. In any case, he remembers having heard shouts from the direction of Madeleine's parents' apartment.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICARDO-A-D-L-OLIVEIRA.htm


But he also says:

When asked he says that the parents and the other members of the group would arrive between 20.00 and 21.00 but that they would only begin to dine when all of them had arrived.


But the table was booked for 20:30. Did any of the group ever arrive that early?

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We sat down to eat at 7:30 pm. After about forty five (45) minutes Jerry appeared as did one of his friends. I believe it was Russell. They sat at the next table.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JEREMY-WILKINS.htm




He was on duty and was contacted by a member of staff from the Tapas Restaurant between 09.30 and 22.00 who informed him that the daughter of some guests who were dining there had disappeared.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm


But he also says just further on:


That he immediately contacted the GNR in Lagos, shortly after this the child's father and John Hill arrived at the reception and he phoned the GNR again.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/HELDER_LUIS.htm


But...


With regard to the facts of the investigation. Statements show that he knew of these facts by means of a phone call from Lindsay, head of the child care service, who told him about a female child staying at the resort who had disappeared. This phone call was made to the deponent's mobile phone at about 22.28 on 03-05-2007. About 5 minutes later the deponent presented himself at the resort, because Lindsay had told him that she had initiated the procedure for missing children used by the company and the child had not been found.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_HILL.htm


Is there any record of Helder calling the GNR between 9:30 and 10:00?

No. His statement should have definitely been revisited by the PJ.


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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #816 on: February 19, 2016, 11:33:15 AM »

yes well the timeline they gave was impossible ....same as the abduction

that is why they changed the timeline over and over again ....wouldn't you have thought ...seeing it was the first thing they did .[not out looking for maddie]...to get there stories right ....[and ripping apart maddies sticker book]...they would have least got it right ...the first time ...
An "impossible" timeline that Op Grange have forensically examined and deduced that abduction was a definite possibility. How do you come to terms with that?

Offline Carana

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #817 on: February 19, 2016, 11:34:36 AM »
Hmm.

LOL

Can anyone remember what 'British legal sources' were supposed to have leaked?

I can only recall one topic allegedly involving 'British legal sources': a couple of the T7 were supposedly about to change their story (presented in ominous terms).

In view of the origin of that claim, I very much doubt that there was any such leak (beyond - possibly - someone stating that they would be willing to be reinterviewed if requested to do so).


stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #818 on: February 19, 2016, 11:36:21 AM »
An "impossible" timeline that Op Grange have forensically examined and deduced that abduction was a definite possibility. How do you come to terms with that?

How do you comes to terms with the fact there is no forensic evidence to support abduction and after all the money and time spent, the abduction scenario is at a dead end ?

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #819 on: February 19, 2016, 11:45:14 AM »
I have just read that before Kate Mccann was made Ambassador for the Missing Person's website, that it had advice not to leave your children alone. That advice is no longer there.

Clearly that is logical advice, so if it has been removed from there, why has it ?

This came from a former poster and Moderator on this forum, CPN, who was a social worker.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2016, 12:15:40 PM by stephen25000 »

Offline Benice

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #820 on: February 19, 2016, 11:47:53 AM »






exactly

i do think anyone with any commonsense would tear there stories apart .....like English police did at the beginning.....but it seems they were told what to do

luckily ...we are not.

LOL when all else fails - claim a conspiracy. 

The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Carana

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #821 on: February 19, 2016, 11:50:57 AM »
@G-Unit

Did Dan Stuck go to the Millenium?
 
Because it was asked of him, he relates that he knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because he was contacted by a resort worker having attended and participated in the searches.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAN-STUK.htm

Matt did (and he's tall).

And so we, erm, I volunteered to go up to the, erm, I went up to the Millennium Restaurant because it was just one of the routes that I thought she might have taken, although I couldn't say why I thought she would because we'd only been there once on that night before and maybe she'd been for the restaurant, so we'd only been at the initial welcoming, that was the only time that we went for that meal in the evening because the food wasn't great there, it wasn't quite up to the MARK WARNER resorts of, but anyway, so we did other things and that's why we liked the Tapas, so there was no reason really why she'd have gone up there, but it was a, just a different route.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm




Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #822 on: February 19, 2016, 12:08:31 PM »
@G-Unit

Did Dan Stuck go to the Millenium?
 
Because it was asked of him, he relates that he knew about the disappearance of little MBM that same night, about 22h20, because he was contacted by a resort worker having attended and participated in the searches.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAN-STUK.htm

Matt did (and he's tall).

And so we, erm, I volunteered to go up to the, erm, I went up to the Millennium Restaurant because it was just one of the routes that I thought she might have taken, although I couldn't say why I thought she would because we'd only been there once on that night before and maybe she'd been for the restaurant, so we'd only been at the initial welcoming, that was the only time that we went for that meal in the evening because the food wasn't great there, it wasn't quite up to the MARK WARNER resorts of, but anyway, so we did other things and that's why we liked the Tapas, so there was no reason really why she'd have gone up there, but it was a, just a different route.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Nelson said a tennis coach went up there. and as I knew Dan was around I assumed it could have been him (he's tall and blond). Someone saw him and some others in a car later (Russell?) one of whom could have been Nelson from the Millenium. so there could have been three men at the Millenium; one at 10pm, then Matt at 10.30pm and a tennis coach with no time given.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #823 on: February 19, 2016, 12:12:24 PM »
I have just read that before Kate Mccann was made Ambassador for the Missing Person's website, that it had advice not to leave your children alone. That advice is no longer there.

Clearly that is logical advice, so if it has been removed from there, why has it ?

Cite....there is no cite
Nothing more than a forum myth being promoted as fact
« Last Edit: February 19, 2016, 12:35:17 PM by davel »

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #824 on: February 19, 2016, 01:06:20 PM »
the idea that SY would spend 11 million without looking at the parents is totally ridiculous
There is no evidence that the parents were looked at.
What's up, old man?