Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[pathfinder73]

Had any of the witnesses been exposed to blanket news and television coverage of this spot on lookalike on a daily basis over a period of months?  Had any of the witnesses ever seen his photograph or know anything about him?

By the way ... I am not suggesting that this lookalike had anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance as apart from the remarkable resemblance there is no evidence to suggest he is indeed the lookalike. 

Pity you do not follow the same standard.

There's so much more that's why the timeline is key.

[Lace]

yep i understand  ..... do you  get what im saying  though??  most humans cant   remmeber much    from being a  toddler  and a syou  say  with trauma they are not happy memories  some mcann  supporters have said over the years maddie will basically leep into  gerry and kates arms  if she is alive she wouldnt know them  at  all....

Please give a link to anyone who has said that Madeleine will leap into Gerry and Kates arms,   I have never heard anyone say that.

I really find it rather offensive that you and others think that people who have hope that Madeleine is still alive,  have no idea that she may be going through a traumatic experience and if found will no doubt be mentally damaged by it.

The McCann's said years ago that this may be the case and that they would somehow get through it,   they will no doubt be given trauma specialists to help them.

No doubt Madeleine wouldn't go back to the McCann's straight away,   there would be a slow readjustment period which she would have to go through.

Why do you think that people who think the McCann's are innocent and that there is a slim chance Madeleine is still alive are too stupid to know all this?

[Lace]

Yes the abductor got in and that may explain why it was unlocked  Who do those hidden efits look like again  &%+((£

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Amaral's mate isn't it.   &%+((£

[Lace]

You still don't understand Brietta.

I don't take tabloids as accurate sources of information, far from it.

A friend of mine helped search for Madeleine, the night she disappeared.

I also know a family who arrived in PDL a week later after Madeleine disappeared. They had friends already there, who witnessed the aftermath of what happened, and the blanket press coverage which ensued in the days after.

There is more as regards the latter, but at best secondary information.

As members of the public they wouldn't have been witness to anything going on in 5a.

[Lace]

It is quite laughable that some think the McCann's are guilty because a relative said she had been told the door was wide open and the windows jimmied.

The door which was the bedroom door was opened more that the McCann's usually left it,   and the shutters were up which the McCann's found could be opened from the outside,  and so they had been forced up,  as they were supposed to be raised from inside 5a.   The fact is that this relative who said that Gerry at times was hard to understand as he was crying so much,   used different words to express what she had heard.

This is taken as the MCCANN'S MUST BE GUILTY   laughable.

[jassi]

It is quite laughable that some think the McCann's are guilty because a relative said she had been told the door was wide open and the windows jimmied.

The door which was the bedroom door was opened more that the McCann's usually left it,   and the shutters were up which the McCann's found could be opened from the outside,  and so they had been forced up,  as they were supposed to be raised from inside 5a.   The fact is that this relative who said that Gerry at times was hard to understand as he was crying so much,   used different words to express what she had heard.

This is taken as the MCCANN'S MUST BE GUILTY   laughable.

No doubt the McCanns are having a quiet chortle about it at this very moment .

[G-Unit]

The forum is packed with all the details of why people don't believe the McCann's story of abduction. Those who doubt them are not part of a 'group', they are individuals who have reached their conclusions alone. They are not Amaral fans and don't subscribe to his theory. They are not fans of the MSM and take everything they say with a huge pinch of salt. They're normal people with doubts, and they have provided good reasons for their doubts.

On the other hand are a group of people who believe the McCann's story of abduction. The forum is not packed with lots of details showing why they believe it. They bolster their belief with one fact - what DCI Redwood said in 2013. Many of their posts seem to be made with the intention of discrediting the original investigation, particularly it's co-ordinator. Others are aimed at a UK dog handler and they verge on libel imo. Their answers to those who doubt seem mostly designed to ridicule them in the hope that will nullify their arguments.

[Mr Gray]

The forum is packed with all the details of why people don't believe the McCann's story of abduction. Those who doubt them are not part of a 'group', they are individuals who have reached their conclusions alone. They are not Amaral fans and don't subscribe to his theory. They are not fans of the MSM and take everything they say with a huge pinch of salt. They're normal people with doubts, and they have provided good reasons for their doubts.

On the other hand are a group of people who believe the McCann's story of abduction. The forum is not packed with lots of details showing why they believe it. They bolster their belief with one fact - what DCI Redwood said in 2013. Many of their posts seem to be made with the intention of discrediting the original investigation, particularly it's co-ordinator. Others are aimed at a UK dog handler and they verge on libel imo. Their answers to those who doubt seem mostly designed to ridicule them in the hope that will nullify their arguments.

so sceptics are not part of a group but supporters are...do you realise how silly that sounds

[Lace]

The forum is packed with all the details of why people don't believe the McCann's story of abduction. Those who doubt them are not part of a 'group', they are individuals who have reached their conclusions alone. They are not Amaral fans and don't subscribe to his theory. They are not fans of the MSM and take everything they say with a huge pinch of salt. They're normal people with doubts, and they have provided good reasons for their doubts.

On the other hand are a group of people who believe the McCann's story of abduction. The forum is not packed with lots of details showing why they believe it. They bolster their belief with one fact - what DCI Redwood said in 2013. Many of their posts seem to be made with the intention of discrediting the original investigation, particularly it's co-ordinator. Others are aimed at a UK dog handler and they verge on libel imo. Their answers to those who doubt seem mostly designed to ridicule them in the hope that will nullify their arguments.

I will tell you why I believe the McCann's are innocent,  it is because there is no way they could have discovered Madeleine dead,   cleared up,  decided what to do,  hide the body  all in the space of time given.

I have pointed out what I think many times.

There is also no where the McCann's could have hidden Madeleine's body where she couldn't be discovered,  they didn't know the area they were in.

There is no way Kate McCann was putting on an act when she found Madeleine as witnesses have pointed out how she behave after the event.

Amaral's theory is flawed,   he misinterpreted the DNA results,  nothing was found to say that Madeleine did die in 5a and the idea that the McCann's took Madeleine's body from the safe place where no one had discovered her and transported her in a car to somewhere else is I'm sorry just ridiculous.

[Alice Purjorick]

so sceptics are not part of a group but supporters are...do you realise how silly that sounds

I presume you mean this to be droll rather than serious considering the last sentence of the post to which it is your response.

[G-Unit]

It is quite laughable that some think the McCann's are guilty because a relative said she had been told the door was wide open and the windows jimmied.

The door which was the bedroom door was opened more that the McCann's usually left it,   and the shutters were up which the McCann's found could be opened from the outside,  and so they had been forced up,  as they were supposed to be raised from inside 5a.   The fact is that this relative who said that Gerry at times was hard to understand as he was crying so much,   used different words to express what she had heard.

This is taken as the MCCANN'S MUST BE GUILTY   laughable.

The above are one part of the many problems with the story, not the totality. The problems create doubt not guilt

I find it laughable that people are ignorant of the fact that four people were told during the night of 3rd/4th May that the apartment had been broken into. People were woken up in the middle of the night to be told. They were told the front door was lying open, not the bedroom door.

Perhaps you can explain who moved that bedroom door between 8.30pm and 9.05pm? It wasn't crecheman, No-one was hiding in the apartment during Gerry's visit. It is said to have moved again by the time Matt checked. Who did that? It wasn't the 'abductor because the shutters were closed. Don't congratulate yourself on your cleverness unless you can explain that without resorting to opinion or imagination.

[G-Unit]

I will tell you why I believe the McCann's are innocent,  it is because there is no way they could have discovered Madeleine dead,   cleared up,  decided what to do,  hide the body  all in the space of time given.

I have pointed out what I think many times.

There is also no where the McCann's could have hidden Madeleine's body where she couldn't be discovered,  they didn't know the area they were in.

There is no way Kate McCann was putting on an act when she found Madeleine as witnesses have pointed out how she behave after the event.

Amaral's theory is flawed,   he misinterpreted the DNA results,  nothing was found to say that Madeleine did die in 5a and the idea that the McCann's took Madeleine's body from the safe place where no one had discovered her and transported her in a car to somewhere else is I'm sorry just ridiculous.

Thank you for a reasoned response, Lace. I will answer each point with my thoughts.

I don't know what time you are assuming the child could have died or why there would be a need to clear up. As to decision making, again, it depends on the time available and the people involved. Some people think very clearly in an emergency and can quickly evaluate the situation and make decisions. Not everyone falls apart.

You are assuming the McCanns didn't know the area. They could have been very familiar with it, they had been there for six days and did a lot of running around the area in that time. You may be right, but it's not a definite.

Kate's friends found her reaction terrible, but there's no way they could know what caused it. Naturally, given the circumstances, they assumed it was the abduction of her daughter.

I do not subscribe to Amaral's theory, so that's not relevant for me.

[G-Unit]

I presume you mean this to be droll rather serious considering the last sentence of the post to which it is your response.

Either that or (s)he just proved my point 

[Lace]

The above are one part of the many problems with the story, not the totality. The problems create doubt not guilt

I find it laughable that people are ignorant of the fact that four people were told during the night of 3rd/4th May that the apartment had been broken into. People were woken up in the middle of the night to be told. They were told the front door was lying open, not the bedroom door.

Perhaps you can explain who moved that bedroom door between 8.30pm and 9.05pm? It wasn't crecheman, No-one was hiding in the apartment during Gerry's visit. It is said to have moved again by the time Matt checked. Who did that? It wasn't the 'abductor because the shutters were closed. Don't congratulate yourself on your cleverness unless you can explain that without resorting to opinion or imagination.

Are you stating as a fact that the abductor was not hiding in 5a when Gerry did his check?

It is quite possible that the abductor entered the children's bedroom after Matthew did his check,  Matthew listened outside the children's  window.   The abductor may have thought that he was safe for half an hour after Matthew left.    He was then disturbed by Gerry,   he could easily have hidden in the parents bedroom or behind the sofa in the lounge area,   Gerry wouldn't be expecting anyone to be in 5a so he wouldn't be looking for anyone hiding.    Or the abductor could easily have slipped out through the front door when he heard Gerry coming.

Then when Gerry left,    he opened the window so if he was disturbed suddenly he had a way of escape.

[jassi]

Are you stating as a fact that the abductor was not hiding in 5a when Gerry did his check?

It is quite possible that the abductor entered the children's bedroom after Matthew did his check,  Matthew listened outside the children's  window.   The abductor may have thought that he was safe for half an hour after Matthew left.    He was then disturbed by Gerry,   he could easily have hidden in the parents bedroom or behind the sofa in the lounge area,   Gerry wouldn't be expecting anyone to be in 5a so he wouldn't be looking for anyone hiding.    Or the abductor could easily have slipped out through the front door when he heard Gerry coming.

Then when Gerry left,    he opened the window so if he was disturbed suddenly he had a way of escape.

Or abductorman could purely be a figment of your imagination.