Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[G-Unit]

We know the McCann's didn't have babysitters,  they give their reason why.

I don't see the point of this.

The point was to inform your ignorance of the baby-sitting arrangements available at the resort. One of their reasons not to have a baby-sitter was to do with 'people they didn't know'. All the creche workers were available to baby-sit, including, no doubt, Catriona Baker who spent all week with Madeleine and Sinead Vine who spent all week with the twins.

[Benice]

The point was to inform your ignorance of the baby-sitting arrangements available at the resort. One of their reasons not to have a baby-sitter was to do with 'people they didn't know'. All the creche workers were available to baby-sit, including, no doubt, Catriona Baker who spent all week with Madeleine and Sinead Vine who spent all week with the twins.

I certainly would not allow any stranger - (and I would regard someone I had just met that day for the first time to be a stranger)  - to spend hours alone with my children in my apartment after just one short meeting.      It wouldn't matter what their job was or how nice they seemed.   

Also IIRC there was no guarantee on who babysat - as there was a rota system and you were advised to book in advance.  (from memory - so am happy to be corrected if necessary).

[G-Unit]

I certainly would not allow any stranger - (and I would regard someone I had just met that day for the first time to be a stranger)  - to spend hours alone with my children in my apartment after just one short meeting.      It wouldn't matter what their job was or how nice they seemed.   

Also IIRC there was no guarantee on who babysat - as there was a rota system and you were advised to book in advance.  (from memory - so am happy to be corrected if necessary).

Kate was happy to leave Madeleine with a stranger for hours each day. The stranger took her swimming and to the beach. The possibility of accidents would have been greater during this time than if the stranger sat in the apartment when she was asleep. They could have popped back for the first couple of evenings just to make sure everything was OK, it only took a few minutes. It would certainly have been a better idea than leaving children home alone which is asking for trouble.
 
I don't know if there was a rota or not. The Carpenter's used the same people so maybe there was a choice so early in the season. The only time a nanny would have been unavailable would be if she was working at the night creche or if she didn't want to do it.

[ShiningInLuz]

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A friend of mine helped search for Madeleine, the night she disappeared.

I also know a family who arrived in PDL a week later after Madeleine disappeared. They had friends already there, who witnessed the aftermath of what happened, and the blanket press coverage which ensued in the days after.

There is more as regards the latter, but at best secondary information.

I would assume you are not going to name names.  I can understand why one would not.  But it is a shame.  Any tiny sliver of information about the reality of Luz in May 2007 is extremely valuable.

So may I ask you a quite different question?  It is small, but important, and it does not involve identifying your friend.

I would be most interested in knowing the precise route by which your friend got from Faro to the Ocean Club.  Let me simplify this to 2 options.  One was an MW bus, and MW did the registration and keys on board.  The other was that your friend headed to the OC without MW intervention, and so had to register at OC 24hr reception.

I happen to be interested in the latter.  But of course, that does not influence the route your friend took.

Perhaps you could also enquire of the family you know who went out a week later?  Two bites at the cherry?

[stephen25000]

I would assume you are not going to name names.  I can understand why one would not.  But it is a shame.  Any tiny sliver of information about the reality of Luz in May 2007 is extremely valuable.

So may I ask you a quite different question?  It is small, but important, and it does not involve identifying your friend.

I would be most interested in knowing the precise route by which your friend got from Faro to the Ocean Club.  Let me simplify this to 2 options.  One was an MW bus, and MW did the registration and keys on board.  The other was that your friend headed to the OC without MW intervention, and so had to register at OC 24hr reception.

I happen to be interested in the latter.  But of course, that does not influence the route your friend took.

Perhaps you could also enquire of the family you know who went out a week later?  Two bites at the cherry?

Hello SIL.

I have sent you a PM on this.

[Benice]

Kate was happy to leave Madeleine with a stranger for hours each day. The stranger took her swimming and to the beach. The possibility of accidents would have been greater during this time than if the stranger sat in the apartment when she was asleep. They could have popped back for the first couple of evenings just to make sure everything was OK, it only took a few minutes. It would certainly have been a better idea than leaving children home alone which is asking for trouble.
 
I don't know if there was a rota or not. The Carpenter's used the same people so maybe there was a choice so early in the season. The only time a nanny would have been unavailable would be if she was working at the night creche or if she didn't want to do it.

There's a vast difference IMO in leaving children at a creche with other nannies around and parents popping in and out - the same goes for any outside activities -  and leaving someone you hardly know alone in your apartment with your children for hours.   

[G-Unit]

There's a vast difference IMO in leaving children at a creche with other nannies around and parents popping in and out - the same goes for any outside activities -  and leaving someone you hardly know alone in your apartment with your children for hours.

Yeah, much wiser to leave them home alone.

[Benice]

Yeah, much wiser to leave them home alone.

I thought we were talking about the reasons for not wanting to have babysitters.   But I see you've resorted to the same old 'sceptic'  mantra.    So what's new.   

[Alfred R Jones]

Kate was happy to leave Madeleine with a stranger for hours each day. The stranger took her swimming and to the beach. The possibility of accidents would have been greater during this time than if the stranger sat in the apartment when she was asleep. They could have popped back for the first couple of evenings just to make sure everything was OK, it only took a few minutes. It would certainly have been a better idea than leaving children home alone which is asking for trouble.
 
I don't know if there was a rota or not. The Carpenter's used the same people so maybe there was a choice so early in the season. The only time a nanny would have been unavailable would be if she was working at the night creche or if she didn't want to do it.

What has the fact that they didn't use a babysitter got to do with the fact that you don't believe the McCanns?

[G-Unit]

What has the fact that they didn't use a babysitter got to do with the fact that you don't believe the McCanns?

They didn't want to leave the children with a stranger, but were happy to leave them with strangers all day every day. The children never woke up, apparently so they wouldn't have known they were with a stranger. Even if they had woken, it would have taken a matter of minutes to summon a parent if necessary. Leaving them alone for 30 minutes meant it could have been 25 minutes before anyone came.

Just like their abduction story it doesn't stand up under scrutiny. The only people who think that's logical are those who want to, in my opinion. 

[stephen25000]

What has the fact that they didn't use a babysitter got to do with the fact that you don't believe the McCanns?

It's part of their story, and the excuses given do hold up to logic.

[Brietta]

It's part of their story, and the excuses given do hold up to logic.

Come up with a workable alternative to the abduction theory and you may get some attention ... bearing in mind no-one else has been able to.

Woke and wandered ... to where?

Plot by parents and their friends ... I'm all ears.

[stephen25000]

Come up with a workable alternative to the abduction theory and you may get some attention ... bearing in mind no-one else has been able to.

Woke and wandered ... to where?

Plot by parents and their friends ... I'm all ears.

There are two workable alternative theories.

Either of which you will not accept.

As to ABDUCTION, there is no evidence to take to court and if you think there is ....

[Alfred R Jones]

They didn't want to leave the children with a stranger, but were happy to leave them with strangers all day every day. The children never woke up, apparently so they wouldn't have known they were with a stranger. Even if they had woken, it would have taken a matter of minutes to summon a parent if necessary. Leaving them alone for 30 minutes meant it could have been 25 minutes before anyone came.

Just like their abduction story it doesn't stand up under scrutiny. The only people who think that's logical are those who want to, in my opinion.

So you can see absolutely no difference between leaving your children in a daytime crèche with numerous nannies in attendance and leaving your children alone in a bedroom at night with one individual nanny in attendance?  Fair enough.  That's your opinion, but believe it or not, not everyone thinks and feels the same way as you do.  What you may deem to be illogical, may not be so to others.  Which is all by the by because it does not explain why this decision on their part makes you think they made up an abduction story...

[Alice Purjorick]

Has anyone come up with a convincing abduction theory yet?
One which acknowledges the police and Mr Hill saying there was no sign of a break in.