Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[G-Unit]

mine is far closer to an exact quote...he never mentioned maddie leaving the apartment dead..you are making things up...please provide a link to the video to prove me wrong

Please provide the source of your quote so we can all decide for ourselves how exact it is. (I notice it's now 'closer' to exact, not actually exact).

You're right in that he didn't mention her 'leaving the apartment dead', just that she may be dead. I was trying to simplify it. He didn't speculate at all where when or how she could have died if she's dead. If they have theories on that they're not telling. 

He is clearly saying that taking a live child from the apartment would have been a criminal act by a stranger. I think that's a reasonable assumption but as to what evidence he has that she was alive when taken.........he doesn't say.


two key elements of it is to go: 1 Madeleine is alive and the other is, sadly she's not

we have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline, and there is clearly opportunity there - for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive - and it is our belief, as experienced investigators - on the evidence, that, um that you know, that that, that is as a criminal act - and that has been, you know, undertaken by by a stranger,
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/ITV1_27_04_2012.htm

[stephen25000]

I have seen that someone is claiming the probability of non-abduction is 1%.

Can we see the statistical proof of this ?

Or is it  just more hot air with no basis ?

[Carana]

To get a full picture you would have to include children killed by family members and hidden.

On holiday in a foreign country.

[Mr Gray]

I have seen that someone is claiming the probability of non-abduction is 1%.

Can we see the statistical proof of this ?

Or is it  just more hot air with no basis ?

no it is not hot air but you need to read the whole statement....IF..and IF...remember IF the parents are not involved... abduction is ...odds on favourite

[Brietta]

I find it risible that you believe in abduction, with not one piece of verifiable evidence to back it up.

Tell me Brietta, what is expertise do you have in  Statistics exactly ?

By the looks of it ... slightly more than you have.

[stephen25000]

On holiday in a foreign country.

Precisely the point.

Leaving children in unlocked accommodation for extended periods.

Not the hallmark of intelligent behaviour.

[Mr Gray]

To get a full picture you would have to include children killed by family members and hidden.

to get aproper picture you would need to look at the social background...mental health...drug habits etc ..etc...of teh "parents" involved

[stephen25000]

I believe posters are required to show a logical basis for any figures quoted.

So where is this for 1% 

[Mr Gray]

Please provide the source of your quote so we can all decide for ourselves how exact it is. (I notice it's now 'closer' to exact, not actually exact).

You're right in that he didn't mention her 'leaving the apartment dead', just that she may be dead. I was trying to simplify it. He didn't speculate at all where when or how she could have died if she's dead. If they have theories on that they're not telling. 

He is clearly saying that taking a live child from the apartment would have been a criminal act by a stranger. I think that's a reasonable assumption but as to what evidence he has that she was alive when taken.........he doesn't say.


two key elements of it is to go: 1 Madeleine is alive and the other is, sadly she's not

we have conducted a forensic analysis of the timeline, and there is clearly opportunity there - for Madeleine McCann to have been removed from that apartment alive - and it is our belief, as experienced investigators - on the evidence, that, um that you know, that that, that is as a criminal act - and that has been, you know, undertaken by by a stranger,
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/60april12/ITV1_27_04_2012.htm

I think what he said is clear but you are unwilling to accept the truth

[Carana]

If the twins are bullied it will be because their classmates have read some of the complete crap that has been posted about their parents on the internet not because their parents didn't take a lie detector test.  if they took such a test it would not make the slightest bit of difference to the sceptics and their agenda to denigrate these parents at every opportunity, and that is a fact.

Agreed.

[stephen25000]

Agreed.

Predictable.

[Mr Gray]

I believe posters are required to show a logical basis for any figures quoted.

So where is this for 1% 

I have posted it several times...it seems to be beyond your understanding..

perhaps to show how much you understand statistics you would like to show your assessments and then we can all decide how accomplished you are..or not

[G-Unit]

didn't say my children had no experience of bullying...they have to a minor extent. Fortunately they are all at or were at very nice independent schools so they have been lucky...the eldest of my younger children is now at a Rudolph Steiner School and the others will follow... Schools hands are tied to a certain extent by their inability to discipline children.

What I see on these forums is adults behaving as bullies towards the McCanns....Brenda Leyland being a prime example......they are not setting a very good example to their children

Do you follow Steiner's teachings then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-28646118
http://www.dcscience.net/2010/12/16/steiner-waldorf-schools-part-3-the-problem-of-racism/

[Mr Gray]

Do you follow Steiner's teachings then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-28646118
http://www.dcscience.net/2010/12/16/steiner-waldorf-schools-part-3-the-problem-of-racism/

The Steiner Waldorf Schools Fellowship (SWSF), the umbrella body for Steiner schools, responded by saying "Our schools do not tolerate racism" and "bullying is not tolerated by our schools and all our schools have strong anti-bullying policies"

As my three younger children are mixed race I am quite happy with the schools attitude to race

you must have thought I was a white elitist.. Steiner started the schools but they have moved on....I took my GCE'S a year early...Steiner schools take them a year late.....I like their relaxed approach to learning

[stephen25000]

No proof or evidence has been posted to give a 1% prediction.

An unsubstantiated opinion has no worth whatsoever.