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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #375 on: February 14, 2016, 02:37:11 PM »
No proof or evidence has been posted to give a 1% prediction.

An unsubstantiated opinion has no worth whatsoever.

in your very limited opinion...you are unable to come up with any figures yourself...my figure is substantiated...you just don't understand

Offline Brietta

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #376 on: February 14, 2016, 02:40:06 PM »
It's lucky SY released those efits 5 years later or they may never have been released to the world. And you will be happy to know they are at the same place Amaral was in 2007 when removed - the Smiths sighting. That's the only real credible lead in this whole case. Blonk's suggestion that a whole family of 9 would cover for their great friend RM has no credibility at all. Actually it's embarrassing. We know who was trying to connect those two separate sighting from the start and that would rule somebody out of the later one. That is crystal clear to anyone with an open mind!

They are way beyond the place where Mr Amaral was in 2007.

Every investigation has a beginning ... a middle ... and an end.  The beginning of the present expensive exercise came with a review of the evidence coordinated during and after Mr Amaral's tenure (probably a duplication of what the Rebelo investigation had to do).

Rebelo found nothing to implicate the Drs McCann and neither did Jim Gamble.  I think it would be safe to say that neither did the new Portuguese investigators.
All these investigators are aware of the Smith testimony.

While internet detectives continue to spend their lives poring over and commenting on what they think is 'evidence' to the detriment of two people they really know nothing about ... the real detectives have analysed the real evidence and have broadened the scope of the investigation.

They are really not interested in Madeleine's parents  ... they have been excluded as suspects ... there is no evidence to sustain any guilt on their part. 
The PJ and SY are actively pursuing the abduction theory having looked at and discarded any other.

That really should lead the 'doubters' to realise they may have a problem.  They doubt while the experience and expertise of the professionals has led them to dismiss the core beliefs which have been insidiously feeding the flame for years.



Portugese cops slammed for gaping holes in investigation. [Now edited to] Brits launch Maddie probe

Original Source: NOTW: SUNDAY 11 APRIL 2010
By Lucy Panton , 11/04/2010


**Snip
Failures in the original investigation are said to be "so gaping" that British authorities feel it is their duty to look at it again.

This time police will review all the leads using technology and standards expected in a homicide or kidnap case in the UK.

Mr Gamble, head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, found a basic failure to collate information and join up links that should have been made.

Telephone records were not properly analysed, missing early opportunities for leads.

And Kate and Gerry McCann were named as Arguidos, or formal suspects, by Portuguese police - something that the review says would not have happened if the probe had been carried out in the UK.

Mr Gamble found no evidence sufficient to make them suspects.
His findings have now been formally submitted to the Home Office with recommendations to re-investigate.

The damning review has now set the Association of Chief Police Officers the difficult task of trying to decide who takes on the mammoth task. It is already predicted to be "an extremely costly" investigation that, even if done properly, will probably never be solved.

A source said: "It is something that has to be reviewed. It is only right that the McCanns are given the satisfaction that everything that could be done has been done. It now comes down to who is up to the job."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/NOTW_11_04_10.htm
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #377 on: February 14, 2016, 02:48:18 PM »
As lie detector tests have been deemed to be not much more accurate than the flip of a coin perhaps you can explain why you think Kate taking one would change anything?
If you have any evidence of them being around 50:50, please post it.  It would be the type of eye opener I thoroughly enjoy.

I go down the road of trying hard, with aforethought, to make sure my kids and grandkids get the best I can provide for them.

The twins deserve the same.
What's up, old man?

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #378 on: February 14, 2016, 02:50:28 PM »
Still waiting for substantiation.

The figures for child disappearances as regards parental,  family etc., are well known.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #379 on: February 14, 2016, 02:54:08 PM »

I think what he said is clear but you are unwilling to accept the truth

I know exactly what he said, but i'm not sure you do.

He said there was an opportunity in the timeline for Madeleine to be taken alive.

He didn't say someone took advantage of that opportunity.

Where's your cite showing what he said? I'm beginning to think you haven't got one.
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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #380 on: February 14, 2016, 02:55:21 PM »
They are way beyond the place where Mr Amaral was in 2007.


Every investigation has a beginning ... a middle ... and an end.  The beginning of the present expensive exercise came with a review of the evidence coordinated during and after Mr Amaral's tenure (probably a duplication of what the Rebelo investigation had to do).

Rebelo found nothing to implicate the Drs McCann and neither did Jim Gamble.  I think it would be safe to say that neither did the new Portuguese investigators.
All these investigators are aware of the Smith testimony.

While internet detectives continue to spend their lives poring over and commenting on what they think is 'evidence' to the detriment of two people they really know nothing about ... the real detectives have analysed the real evidence and have broadened the scope of the investigation.

They are really not interested in Madeleine's parents  ... they have been excluded as suspects ... there is no evidence to sustain any guilt on their part. 
The PJ and SY are actively pursuing the abduction theory having looked at and discarded any other.

That really should lead the 'doubters' to realise they may have a problem.  They doubt while the experience and expertise of the professionals has led them to dismiss the core beliefs which have been insidiously feeding the flame for years.



Portugese cops slammed for gaping holes in investigation. [Now edited to] Brits launch Maddie probe

Original Source: NOTW: SUNDAY 11 APRIL 2010
By Lucy Panton , 11/04/2010


**Snip
Failures in the original investigation are said to be "so gaping" that British authorities feel it is their duty to look at it again.

This time police will review all the leads using technology and standards expected in a homicide or kidnap case in the UK.

Mr Gamble, head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, found a basic failure to collate information and join up links that should have been made.

Telephone records were not properly analysed, missing early opportunities for leads.

And Kate and Gerry McCann were named as Arguidos, or formal suspects, by Portuguese police - something that the review says would not have happened if the probe had been carried out in the UK.

Mr Gamble found no evidence sufficient to make them suspects.
His findings have now been formally submitted to the Home Office with recommendations to re-investigate.

The damning review has now set the Association of Chief Police Officers the difficult task of trying to decide who takes on the mammoth task. It is already predicted to be "an extremely costly" investigation that, even if done properly, will probably never be solved.

A source said: "It is something that has to be reviewed. It is only right that the McCanns are given the satisfaction that everything that could be done has been done. It now comes down to who is up to the job."
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/NOTW_11_04_10.htm

Gamble is irrelevant.

He is a mccann backer, therefore anything he says is tainted.

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #381 on: February 14, 2016, 02:55:34 PM »
a point I have made several times...which sil seems to have taken offence at
I have not taken offence at your misunderstanding of probability theory.

I have taken offence at repeated digs on an emotive level about my stance.

I cannot complain about such a posture in this post, so perhaps things are getting better.

You still don't understand probability theory.

@Stephen re post-GCSEs.  Many thanks. I now feel like I truly belong in the dinosaur era.  ROFL (can't get Smilies to work).
What's up, old man?

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #382 on: February 14, 2016, 02:58:25 PM »
I have not taken offence at your misunderstanding of probability theory.

I have taken offence at repeated digs on an emotive level about my stance.

I cannot complain about such a posture in this post, so perhaps things are getting better.

You still don't understand probability theory.

@Stephen re post-GCSEs.  Many thanks. I now feel like I truly belong in the dinosaur era.  ROFL (can't get Smilies to work).

My pleasure SIL. 8((()*/




Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #383 on: February 14, 2016, 03:10:55 PM »
The Steiner Waldorf Schools Fellowship (SWSF), the umbrella body for Steiner schools, responded by saying "Our schools do not tolerate racism" and "bullying is not tolerated by our schools and all our schools have strong anti-bullying policies"

As my three younger children are mixed race I am quite happy with the schools attitude to race

you must have thought I was a white elitist.. Steiner started the schools but they have moved on....I took my GCE'S a year early...Steiner schools take them a year late.....I like their relaxed approach to learning

Every school in the UK would say exactly the same as the SWSF. Racism and bullying don't always come to the notice of those in authority, however. I expect those schools face the same problems as other schools. You pays your money and takes your choice. If your child is happy there that's the main thing.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #384 on: February 14, 2016, 03:15:57 PM »
Still waiting for substantiation.

The figures for child disappearances as regards parental,  family etc., are well known.

Then quote them as you introduced

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #385 on: February 14, 2016, 03:19:16 PM »
I know exactly what he said, but i'm not sure you do.

He said there was an opportunity in the timeline for Madeleine to be taken alive.

He didn't say someone took advantage of that opportunity.

Where's your cite showing what he said? I'm beginning to think you haven't got one.

I'm still waiting for your cite, davel?????????????????????
« Last Edit: February 14, 2016, 03:51:20 PM by Eleanor »
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Offline Brietta

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #386 on: February 14, 2016, 03:23:42 PM »
Gamble is irrelevant.

He is a mccann backer, therefore anything he says is tainted.

That is a very limited view of professional conduct ... at the time of the scoping review he conducted for the then home secretary Jim Gamble certainly knew of Madeleine's case. Is it your suggestion that had he found evidence to implicate Madeleine's parents he would have ignored that; recommend a very expensive review gets under way; only to have that review uncover the evidence he had 'missed'?

How dare you impugn his - or anyone's - professionalism because of your personal bias.



Former senior Scotland Yard investigator, Jim Gamble, has led the British National Crime Intelligence Service fight against child sex abuse, and he was the head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre within the UK police, which did some analysis for the Portuguese police early in the investigation of Madeleine’s disappearance. He subsequently did a scoping study for a review of the case in 2009 for the previous Labour government. Jim Gamble had since got to know the McCann’s personally, and he joins me now from London.
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/05/17/3504848.htm



"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #387 on: February 14, 2016, 03:26:12 PM »
I have not taken offence at your misunderstanding of probability theory.

I have taken offence at repeated digs on an emotive level about my stance.

I cannot complain about such a posture in this post, so perhaps things are getting better.

You still don't understand probability theory.

@Stephen re post-GCSEs.  Many thanks. I now feel like I truly belong in the dinosaur era.  ROFL (can't get Smilies to work).

I would say you do not understand probability...it really is simple...50/50 approx for the toss of acoin...it is no more complex than that

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #388 on: February 14, 2016, 03:27:34 PM »
I'm still waiting for your cite, davel?????????????????????

do you not realise you have already posted it yourself

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #389 on: February 14, 2016, 03:45:37 PM »
I know exactly what he said, but i'm not sure you do.

He said there was an opportunity in the timeline for Madeleine to be taken alive.

He didn't say someone took advantage of that opportunity.

Where's your cite showing what he said? I'm beginning to think you haven't got one.

Wouldn't we just love to know the bit he missed out? Like where in the timeline he thought that opportunity was.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2016, 03:52:53 PM by Eleanor »
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