Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[sadie]

Evidence of what Carana ?

Evidence of other people being in the apartment does not mean evidence of abductor or a burglar.

Likewise, how do you know whether or not the hairs have been brought in by secondary transfer ?

To me the happenings below are potential evidence. ... as Carana puts it, a RED FLAG

Why were the sightings up to and including the Porto area not looked at?  Just ignored it seems, yet 4 abductions up there in the previous 14 years + several sightings of a little girl thought to be Madeleine in the region.  Why weren't they looked at?

Why was processos 807-808 about a sighting in Porto and VN de Gaia unecessarily  produced by Portimao PJ ? 
This mysteriously produceed new Processos negates the earlier proper processos 809 which was written at the time and en situ up in Porto with full PJ source trail.    It negates/changes the original Processos 809 in five ways IIRC.

Why did Portimao PJ decide to alter the original bonafide Processos 809 with stuff that appears unsound ?   At least one item on the new processos appears totally untrue and I went up there to check it out.  Walked that road of drop off on a boiling hot day just to check it out.  It was incorrect ... no three storey house of anything like that number shown in the processos.
In fact the number quoted was almost certainly of a house knocked down up a bling alleyway.  The land plus extra added to it made a large plot.  A new Catholic church was in the process of being built there ...... and on the same plot of land there is a church attached Nursery and a School.
The new Portimao Processos almost seemed to be written to put the searcher off the scent.  Five things ?wrong and over-ruling the processos written en situ by Porto Officers.

The drop off was just 2 miles crow flies to the first Porto area abduction of Jorge Sepulveda .... and my suspect spent time between the two.

SY found that interesting.   Official paperwork which ties abductions, sightings and my suspect between the two, together in a distance of only two miles.   Not in PdL but 300 miles North in the Porto area



809 is the processos that is totally bonafide.  The other one seems to be pointing in the wrong direction on IIRC five counts.


To me, the sightings up to, and including the Porto area are potential evidence, yet it was all ignored ... and even strangely amended.  I wonder why ?

[stephen25000]

To me the happenings below are potential evidence. ... as Carana puts it, a RED FLAG

Why were the sightings up to and including the Porto area not looked at?  Just ignored it seems, yet 4 abductions up there in the previous 14 years + several sightings of a little girl thought to be Madeleine in the region.  Why weren't they looked at?

Why was processos 807-808 about a sighting in Porto and VN de Gaia unecessarily  produced by Portimao PJ ? 
This mysteriously produceed new Processos negates the earlier proper processos 809 which was written at the time and en situ up in Porto with full PJ source trail.    It negates/changes the original Processos 809 in five ways IIRC.

Why did Portimao PJ decide to alter the original bonafide Processos 809 with stuff that appears unsound ?   At least one item on the new processos appears totally untrue and I went up there to check it out.  Walked that road of drop off on a boiling hot day just to check it out.  It was incorrect ... no three storey house of anything like that number shown in the processos.
In fact the number quoted was almost certainly of a house knocked down up a bling alleyway.  The land plus extra added to it made a large plot.  A new Catholic church was in the process of being built there ...... and on the same plot of land there is a church attached Nursery and a School.
The new Portimao Processos almost seemed to be written to put the searcher off the scent.  Five things ?wrong and over-ruling the processos written en situ by Porto Officers.

The drop off was just 2 miles crow flies to the first Porto area abduction of Jorge Sepulveda .... and my suspect spent time between the two.

SY found that interesting.   Official paperwork which ties abductions, sightings and my suspect between the two, together in a distance of only two miles.   Not in PdL but 300 miles North in the Porto area



809 is the processos that is totally bonafide.  The other one seems to be pointing in the wrong direction on IIRC five counts.


To me, the sightings up to, and including the Porto area are potential evidence, yet it was all ignored ... and even strangely amended.  I wonder why ?

Now just tell me, what solid undeniable evidence links those cases to the McCann one ?

[Carana]

Now just tell me, what solid undeniable evidence links those cases to the McCann one ?

One could say that about any potential link in any case. I would have thought that checking out potentially credible and relevant leads is the point of any investigation.

[stephen25000]

One could say that about any potential link in any case. I would have thought that checking out potentially credible and relevant leads is the point of any investigation.

Well, I know full well which site the 'exposed myths' people inhabit.

The site who Blacksmith so aptly said, is where they hate everyone else.

[Alfred R Jones]

I don't agree with everything TB says and does, but his knowledge of this case is impressive. You may not agree with his conclusions, but he has done the research.

He has released some absolute howlers in the past, such as his highly defamatory "conclusions" about Murat's son, just one example.  He also has a highly impressive knowledge of the bible and Darwinism, and yet has come to the conclusion that the earth is 6000 years old. 

[stephen25000]

He has released some absolute howlers in the past, such as his highly defamatory "conclusions" about Murat's son, just one example.  He also has a highly impressive knowledge of the bible and Darwinism, and yet has come to the conclusion that the earth is 6000 years old.

Well there are people out there, who believe the Earth is flat and the mccanns did nothing wrong.

[sadie]

To me the happenings below are potential evidence. ... as Carana puts it, a RED FLAG

Why were the sightings up to and including the Porto area not looked at?  Just ignored it seems, yet 4 abductions up there in the previous 14 years + several sightings of a little girl thought to be Madeleine in the region.  Why weren't they looked at?

Why was processos 807-808 about a sighting in Porto and VN de Gaia unecessarily  produced by Portimao PJ ? 
This mysteriously produceed new Processos negates the earlier proper processos 809 which was written at the time and en situ up in Porto with full PJ source trail.    It negates/changes the original Processos 809 in five ways IIRC.

Why did Portimao PJ decide to alter the original bonafide Processos 809 with stuff that appears unsound ?   At least one item on the new processos appears totally untrue and I went up there to check it out.  Walked that road of drop off on a boiling hot day just to check it out.  It was incorrect ... no three storey house of anything like that number shown in the processos.
In fact the number quoted was almost certainly of a house knocked down up a bling alleyway.  The land plus extra added to it made a large plot.  A new Catholic church was in the process of being built there ...... and on the same plot of land there is a church attached Nursery and a School.
The new Portimao Processos almost seemed to be written to put the searcher off the scent.  Five things ?wrong and over-ruling the processos written en situ by Porto Officers.

The drop off was just 2 miles crow flies to the first Porto area abduction of Jorge Sepulveda .... and my suspect spent time between the two.

SY found that interesting.   Official paperwork which ties abductions, sightings and my suspect between the two, together in a distance of only two miles.   Not in PdL but 300 miles North in the Porto area



809 is the processos that is totally bonafide.  The other one seems to be pointing in the wrong direction on IIRC five counts.


To me, the sightings up to, and including the Porto area are potential evidence, yet it was all ignored ... and even strangely amended.  I wonder why ?

Further more on the basis of Processos 742-744, I went to look at Miramar beach, where there was a sighting of a man with a little girl.  The sighter was convinced that it was Madeleine, cos he had been watching TV all day and Madeleines image was clear in his mind.   At 5 pm. the man and girl left.  Mmm, I thought, that could be shift change over time ... someone special could be being met.

I decided to look at an SOS childrens Orphanage and we drove the mile there.  It was situated in a truncated street that was wide cos it had been the main trunk road south prior to the new motorway.  No houses, no way thru, just this beautiful looking home, a hidden factory next door and a smallish business at the end of the road so virtually no traffick and well treed.

We sat in our little hire car, two OAP's, looking at the delighful sight of children playing outside in this very pleasant home, but behind high railings, on a high bank so much couldn't be seen.  The gate was open with *guards* there.  &%+((£

We were parked well away, no threat, but in less than 2 minutes we were off.

The children had been called in, the gates clanged shut, and a huge viscious Alsation type guard dog had appeared  .  He was racing along the railings keen to rip our throats out

2 -3 Guards and a visciuos Alsation type guard dog at a Childrens orphanage   £5%4%..  Playing children called in immediately when a couple of 75 y. olds park outside in a rubbishy tiny hire car ... and at a very safe distance  &%+((£




Anyway, i found connections between this orphanage and my suspect.

That's all

[G-Unit]

We seem to have wandered away from the thread title. Instead of discussing why people don't believe the abduction story we seem to be discussing who what when and where the abductor is.

There is a very slight chance that some idiot decided to go into an apartment with three small children in it and with checkers passing by or going in every few minutes. I would be very surprised if it happened, however. If it did, the checking was not as frequent as we have been led to believe in my opinion.

[stephen25000]

We seem to have wandered away from the thread title. Instead of discussing why people don't believe the abduction story we seem to be discussing who what when and where the abductor is.

There is a very slight chance that some idiot decided to go into an apartment with three small children in it and with checkers passing by or going in every few minutes. I would be very surprised if it happened, however. If it did, the checking was not as frequent as we have been led to believe in my opinion.

Well that is an intended distraction carried out by some mccann supporters.

I have yet to see a reasoned answer as to why people don't believe the mccanns story.

I noticed on the sun's Facebook pages some far stronger language against the mccanns, in regards the latest 'story' that kate mccann thinks Madeleine is alive and well in Portugal.

Presumably in Edgar's lawless village 10 miles from PDL.

[Alice Purjorick]

We seem to have wandered away from the thread title. Instead of discussing why people don't believe the abduction story we seem to be discussing who what when and where the abductor is.

There is a very slight chance that some idiot decided to go into an apartment with three small children in it and with checkers passing by or going in every few minutes. I would be very surprised if it happened, however. If it did, the checking was not as frequent as we have been led to believe in my opinion.

The archiving report says something not too dissimilar 

[Mr Gray]

Well that is an I tended distraction carried out by some mccann supporters.

I have yet to see a reasoned answer as to why people don't believe the mccanns story.

I noticed on the sun's Facebook pages some far stronger language against the mccanns, in regards the latest 'story' that kate mccann thinks Madeleine is alive and well in Portugal.

Presumably in Edgar's lawless village 10 miles from PDL.

I have given a reasoned answer as to why some people don't believe the McCanns...that is they have believed lies told by amaral and don't understand the evidence...and there is lots of evidence to support my statement

[sadie]

and what did they think of your detective work Sadie ?

Did you tell them about the involvement of the Illuminati  and the pirates you have referred to ?

They know everything ....  and I realise that it is bizarre until you find that everything links up .... scores, probably hundreds of things link up.  My research was very very thorough.  It became like a jigsaw with hardly a piece missing.


When things linked so completely, they became interested.   I cant tell you 90% of what i found

 
They were not so daft/narrow minded to refuse stuff because it historically linked back to the Templars, the ancient Secret Societies and the Phoenicians/ Ancient Greeks, early pirates and slave gatherers .  Blood Brothers etc.

Are you a Blood Brother stephen?  Do you have Templar / Phoenician/Jewish links?   Just wondering, no need to answer if you prefer not to.

Try and be open minded if that rather narrow scientific mind will allow it.


SY took notice, however, they know the lot.       If they were prepared to be open minded, maybe you should be too?

[G-Unit]

The archiving report says something not too dissimilar 

Having looked at the alleged timeline myself, I agree with the passage below. Not to mention that any watcher saw two men go to the apartments at 9.30pm and only one left. The other could have reappeared at any moment.

3 - The establishment of a timeline and of a line of effective checking on the minors that were left alone in the apartments, given that, if it is believed that such checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, at least, very difficult to reunite conditions for the introduction of an abductor in the residence
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[sadie]

and what did they think of your detective work Sadie ?
Did you tell them about the involvement of the Illuminati  and the pirates you have referred to ?

Well they promoted me from the odd phone call to talking to me at Belgravia  P.S. at sargeant level .... and they carried my folder in the Crimewatch programs.  In both programs IIRC.     The words were interesting too .... something about "this detailed analysis having changed the direction of the enquiry" ... seemed to be talking about my folder, or me, but maybe not.

You are able to keep certain programs for a little while, time limited I think, and my hubby did.   He played it back on the really big TV screen and you could see the unusual black punch pockets I used ... and my scrawly writing on the cover.  As I get older my writing deteriorates and that isn't helped by the fact that my desk is always covered by sliding sets of papers, which i bakance my writing paper/ folder on. £4%4%.
They managed to read it anyhow!


I think that they removed the writing on the folder when it went on Youtube, but on a big screen I bet that you can still see the black edged punch pockets.

[ferryman]

An open question.

People don't believe/quibble about the truth of Madeleine's abduction because

1  They are stupid

2. They understand the truth but are deceivers

3.  They haven't read the files carefully.

Can't think of any other reasons why people would quibble about the truth ....