Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[Benice]

So benice, what am I supposed to do about that ?

and benice how would the respective police forces check everyone who had been in that apartment ?

IOW  - you don't have any evidence at all which rules out the possibility that those unidentified fingerprints/hairs may belong to an abductor.

That's not surprising - as while they remain unidentified - there isn't any.
     

[Mr Gray]

I haven't forgotten benice.

So who is examining these materials then, which of course could have been there for years, or laid there by secondary transfer ?

So benice, why do you think people don't believe the mccanns story of abduction ?

On the whole
They do

[Mr Gray]

The facebook response on the sun's pages will hardly be good reading for the mccanns or their supporters.

and kate mccann believes Madeleine is alive and well in Portugal.

Mmm.

If you think the McCanns will be bothers by comments on the sun you are living in cloud cuckoo land
After all these years comments like those are like water off a ducks back

[stephen25000]

IOW  - you don't have any evidence at all which rules out the possibility that those unidentified fingerprints/hairs may belong to an abductor.

That's not surprising - as while they remain unidentified - there isn't any.
     

and there is no evidence that any of the hair or partial fingerprints are of any relevance whatsoever.

You are clutching at straws.

and pray tell, what is the good of telling me all this ?

Meanwhile, as I have asked you this earlier, why do you think people don't believe the mccanns story ?

[G-Unit]

There is no way of knowing for sure but I would say far more people believe maddie was abducted than not

As you say, you have no way of knowing, so your observation adds nothing to the thread.

What we do know is that the Fund has paid PR people to spread the word that the McCanns are innocent. They have threatened and carried out legal action against those who have not accepted their story. Their (paid or unpaid) supporters have amassed dossiers on people who have expressed their doubts on the internet and tried to have them prosecuted. (New law? No disbelieving the McCanns?)

In other words, there has been a massive effort to portray the McCanns as poor misunderstood victims of the Portuguese Police, the media and 'gangs' of thoroughly nasty people on the internet. All that effort and expense and still they aren't believed. Their latest media story attracted hardly any positive comments. It must be very frustrating for them and for their supporters.

[stephen25000]

I wonder, bearing in mind a posters comments are the mccanns polar or non-polar birds ? %£5&% %£5&%

[Brietta]

However, it doesn't solve what happened to Madeleine, and people can decide for themselves what to believe Brietta.

..........and yet again, investigation of parents in any case such as this is standard.

I think I'm beginning to get through to you.

It is precisely my point that all the shenanigans surrounding the apparent desire to have convictions under the belt for a theory for which there was not a shred of evidence ... only prejudice and propaganda ... were the fatal impediment  to finding out what happened to Madeleine.
Or to at least making some progress towards that goal.

One of the major flaws in the conduct of the case was in not either ruling the parents in or out as a first move in the investigation.  As we have subsequently heard from Goncalo Amaral and his second in command, Paiva ... as far as they were concerned ... the parents were in the frame right from the start with their 'badly told story' and their request for a priest.

Madeleine ??? how did that help her?

[stephen25000]

I think I'm beginning to get through to you.

It is precisely my point that all the shenanigans surrounding the apparent desire to have convictions under the belt for a theory for which there was not a shred of evidence ... only prejudice and propaganda ... were the fatal impediment  to finding out what happened to Madeleine.
Or to at least making some progress towards that goal.

One of the major flaws in the conduct of the case was in not either ruling the parents in or out as a first move in the investigation.  As we have subsequently heard from Goncalo Amaral and his second in command, Paiva ... as far as they were concerned ... the parents were in the frame right from the start with their 'badly told story' and their request for a priest.

Madeleine ??? how did that help her?

You still don't get the point.

What evidence is there of abduction which carries any more weight than anything else ?

Again, the mccanns and other members of the group kept changing their accounts of events, and there is no getting over that.

As to helping Madeleine, it seems a bit too late for that now, doesn't it.

and for that I place the blame squarely at the feet of her parents.

[Lace]

You've omitted the Klingons and Romulans from your list.

How can I break this to you gently,   Stephen,  they are not real,   they are fantasy  sorry now you are heart broken 

[Lace]

You still don't get the point.

What evidence is there of abduction which carries any more weight than anything else ?

Again, the mccanns and other members of the group kept changing their accounts of events, and there is no getting over that.

As to helping Madeleine, it seems a bit too late for that now, doesn't it.

and for that I place the blame squarely at the feet of her parents.

SY have weighed up all the evidence,   there were people scrutinising the McCann's and their routine,   before you say they were just members of the public staring at buildings as a hobby,  where are they?   Why haven't they come forward?

There were people going around collecting for a charity which was a scam,   where are they?

SY determined that a group of men on the day Madeleine went missing, sent phone calls to each other which lasted minutes,   but corresponded with Madeleine leaving crèche etc.

A set of keys went missing.

There were break ins reported,   in some cases the apartments were locked.

One holiday maker said that even though he locked his apartment and left the key in the lock the maid was still able to get in.

A window was open [you say Kate is lying but why would she lie?]

Madeleine is missing,   an imprint of her body was on the bed.

SY have ruled out woke and wandered.

They have said the McCann's and their friends are not suspects or persons of interest.

What is left is abduction.

[stephen25000]

How can I break this to you gently,   Stephen,  they are not real,   they are fantasy  sorry now you are heart broken 

Well I never.

So that is just like Sadie's stories then.

and of course she cannot cite any of her claims. %£&)**#

[G-Unit]

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Have you forgotten the unidentified partial fingerprints and hairs so quickly?

Obviously for there to be NO evidence of the presence of an abductor-  as you keep claiming  - then the owners of ALL the fingerprints and hairs collected at the scene would need to have been identified and ruled out.   That hasn't happened. 

Therefore as long as those fingerprints and hairs collected  by forensics officers remain unidentified - they also remain as evidence that an intruder (presently unknown)  may have entered 5a on 3rd May and abducted Madeleine.

Unless of course you can show evidence re those fingerprints/hairs to prove that cannot possibly be true?

The hairs were tested using mitochondrial DNA. They were then attributed to different people, Kate, for example;

Mitochondrial DNA profiles of the vestiges;

                    13 lounge
                    15 entrance hall
C          53    13 entrance to bedroom            Kate Healy (Mother)
                     4 floor; bed next to window
                     1 bed of the child
                     7 floor; next to child's bed

However, when hair was found in the apartment in Burgau which matched Jane Tanner's mitochondrial DNA profile, it wasn't seen as proof that she was there;

In response to your letter I advise that a mitochondrial DNA profile is not an exclusive or objective identification of a single [determined] person. Because of this result the inquiry could not say with absolute certainty that the hair found in Burgau actually came from JT because it could have come from any person born of a mother belonging to any of the eight profiles in the database - one profile, of course, had to be of JT's maternal line, so it could have been some distant (or close) relative.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

So we can conclude that any unidentified mitochondrial DNA profiles found couldn't be said, beyond reasonable doubt, to have been left by one particular person, even if a match was found. In other words, if SY said 'we've got the abductor' and his hair had the same mitochondrial DNA profile as one of more of the unidentified hairs, it wouldn't prove he was in G5A.

[Brietta]

You still don't get the point.

What evidence is there of abduction which carries any more weight than anything else ?

Again, the mccanns and other members of the group kept changing their accounts of events, and there is no getting over that.

As to helping Madeleine, it seems a bit too late for that now, doesn't it.

and for that I place the blame squarely at the feet of her parents.

When you can come up with a match for the unidentified hair samples and the fingerprints Benice reminded you about your mantra might have some justification.

It is never too late to right a wrong.  The misconduct of the initial investigation can never be underestimated, particularly the sightings of children in distress at the requisite time in possible places.
As we know from the horse's mouth ... interest in a dead child superseded that of a live one.

Fine ... have your opinion of Madeleine's parents if you feel you must.  But do not forget the role played by the incompetence and intransigence of those whose job and duty it was to conduct the investigation into a missing child.
"Botched" is the term most frequently used in reference by other professionals.

Just as you have written Madeleine off ... so did they ... and that mattered far more than anything you can add to it today.  The effect of the elementary investigative mistakes cannot be underestimated ... and in my opinion breached Madeleine McCann's right to be looked for just as there are some who would deny her that right even today.

[stephen25000]

When you can come up with a match for the unidentified hair samples and the fingerprints Benice reminded you about your mantra might have some justification.

It is never too late to right a wrong.  The misconduct of the initial investigation can never be underestimated, particularly the sightings of children in distress at the requisite time in possible places.
As we know from the horse's mouth ... interest in a dead child superseded that of a live one.

Fine ... have your opinion of Madeleine's parents if you feel you must.  But do not forget the role played by the incompetence and intransigence of those whose job and duty it was to conduct the investigation into a missing child.
"Botched" is the term most frequently used in reference by other professionals.

Just as you have written Madeleine off ... so did they ... and that mattered far more than anything you can add to it today.  The effect of the elementary investigative mistakes cannot be underestimated ... and in my opinion breached Madeleine McCann's right to be looked for just as there are some who would deny her that right even today.

The word 'botched' could apply to SY.

Now what did gamble say about the UK Police forces competing against each other.

Madeleine was searched for extensively over a period of time by the Police and volunteers.

If you say anything to the contrary, that's your problem then, dealing with reality.

As to misconduct, then look no further than the mccanns and what they failed to do, i.e. keep their children safe.

[Brietta]

Well I never.

So that is just like Sadie's stories then.

and of course she cannot cite any of her claims. %£&)**#

Sadie has given her account to the people who matter ... it is for them to decide if they are a piece of the jigsaw.

Since you doubt Dr Kate McCann's words what chance has Sadie got with you?  But I don't think your opinion will weigh too much; as I have said the people who matter have been given all the information she possesses ... so why don't you leave them to it.