Author Topic: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?  (Read 185946 times)

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ferryman

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #585 on: February 16, 2016, 01:44:48 PM »
At least they are no longer allowed to do so with impunity. A particularly nasty post made yesterday accusing sceptics of all sorts of disgraceful motives seems to have been removed.

I have no objection to my opinions being questioned, that's what the forum is for. The effective way to do that is to offer evidence which contradicts the evidence I base my opinions on. Personal attacks say much more about the attacker than the recipient, Usually it means they can't answer the arguments being put forward.

I don't believe the McCann's story of abduction for what I think are good reasons. No-one has been able to produce any convincing evidence of abduction as yet.

There might have been an excuse for questioning the McCanns once.

There isn't now ....

stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #586 on: February 16, 2016, 01:45:33 PM »
There might have been an excuse for questioning the McCanns once.

There isn't now ....

Yes, there is.

So when did SY question them ?

ferryman

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #587 on: February 16, 2016, 01:46:47 PM »
what sort of evidence of abduction would you accept, save a sworn affadavit from the abductor saying he dunnit (and even then would you accept that I wonder,,,?)

They would probably claim the confession was extorted by torture ....

Offline Brietta

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #588 on: February 16, 2016, 01:56:24 PM »
The peoples mccann did not keep their children safe.

That's is why Madeleine disappeared.

Do keep up.

By the way, what are the SY team experienced in  ?

Ms. Hall is experienced in murder cases.

Hardly surprising since these are the people able to command the facilities and resources necessary to work on a case such as Madeleine's.
The initial review team consisted of personnel from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command ~ Ms Hall is merely a continuation of that structure and command.

Whatever ... there are still arguidos and persons of interest in what is a cold case with live avenues of investigation being pursued.  Not one of which is either of Madeleine's parents.


"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #589 on: February 16, 2016, 01:58:52 PM »
a ridiculous statement showing your skewed view of justice..........it is evidence to show their guilt which is important....

Those who believe the McCann's story of abduction are unable to provide any evidence that it occurred. At the same time they are unable to explain the many peculiarities present in the case. Their attempts at explanation seem always to rely on their own opinions. To take just one example;

Why did Gerry say he entered through the locked front door on his checks and then change it to unlocked patio doors?

Answers I have seen;

He was too stressed due to devastation and lack of sleep to remember
He mixed up the doors
The translator mixed up the doors
The translator did a bad job of translating

I class all of the above as excuses, not reasons, so the question remains unanswered.
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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #590 on: February 16, 2016, 02:05:42 PM »
They would probably claim the confession was extorted by torture ....

Nah! that's been tried elsewhere without much success  8(0(*
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stephen25000

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #591 on: February 16, 2016, 02:05:54 PM »
Hardly surprising since these are the people able to command the facilities and resources necessary to work on a case such as Madeleine's.
The initial review team consisted of personnel from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command ~ Ms Hall is merely a continuation of that structure and command.

Whatever ... there are still arguidos and persons of interest in what is a cold case with live avenues of investigation being pursued.  Not one of which is either of Madeleine's parents.

Yet these people are no way nearer solving the crime than the PJ were.

As to the mccanns , their status as arguido can be re initiated for up to 20 years.

Remember that merely because you and others keep typing to your mantra of abduction, does not make it real
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Alfred R Jones

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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #592 on: February 16, 2016, 02:30:35 PM »
what sort of evidence of abduction would you accept, save a sworn affadavit from the abductor saying he dunnit (and even then would you accept that I wonder,,,?)
well?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #593 on: February 16, 2016, 02:42:02 PM »
When Scotland yard set up a review into Madeleine's disappearance I am certain they would have looked into the question of whether or not the Drs McCann failed to keep their children safe.

OPINION ONLY

They probably noted the failure of the attempt to pursue them through the British courts with a private prosecution but the clincher would be the reasoning of the Portuguese prosecutors.

UNCERTAINTY AND OPINION

However they had more important things on their minds ... like the actual evidence which may have been unsurprisingly overlooked in what must have been one of the most intensive investigations into a missing child ever carried out in Portugal.
Evidence or avenues not developed which might possibly lead to the answer to the question of what exactly happened to Madeleine McCann.

OPINION

I find it risible that the assumption has been made that at this stage of proceedings everything and everyone connected with Madeleine's case was not subject to the closest scrutiny by a very experienced team.
The fact that the review led to the reopening of Madeleine's case ... the fact that neither her parents nor their friends were declared persons of interest or suspects as a result of that review, quite the contrary in fact, should tell you something.

OPINION AND ACCUSATION OF ASSUMPTION WHEN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY. ASSUMPTION AS TO WHY THEY WERE DECLARED NOT SUSPECTS - COULD BE THE REMIT.

Then again perhaps it did ... but with the information not quite to your liking.

Mostly opinion and belief, nothing of substance here.
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Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #594 on: February 16, 2016, 02:43:47 PM »
well?

We had a full thread on evidence of abduction. None was produced.
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« Reply #595 on: February 16, 2016, 02:45:51 PM »
if the parents are ruled out which they have been out then abduction is odds on.....

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Offline Jean-Pierre

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« Reply #596 on: February 16, 2016, 02:48:47 PM »
Opinion only.

Is there anything on this forum that isn't "opinion only"?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #597 on: February 16, 2016, 02:51:50 PM »
Those who believe the McCann's story of abduction are unable to provide any evidence that it occurred. At the same time they are unable to explain the many peculiarities present in the case. Their attempts at explanation seem always to rely on their own opinions. To take just one example;

Why did Gerry say he entered through the locked front door on his checks and then change it to unlocked patio doors?

Answers I have seen;

He was too stressed due to devastation and lack of sleep to remember
He mixed up the doors
The translator mixed up the doors
The translator did a bad job of translating

I class all of the above as excuses, not reasons, so the question remains unanswered.

There is plenty of evidence to support abduction...as SY have said...based on the evidence....but you don't accept it...doesn't matter

Offline G-Unit

Re: Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?
« Reply #598 on: February 16, 2016, 03:01:31 PM »
Is there anything on this forum that isn't "opinion only"?

Debates would be improved in my opinion if cites were used to underpin opinions. For example; I post that Operation Grange did not investigate the McCanns. Someone else posts 'Yes they did'. What have we achieved? Nothing unless we provide the reasons why we hold our opinions. The reasons lead to further discussion and allow others to judge which post they agree with. 
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #599 on: February 16, 2016, 03:03:04 PM »
Is there anything on this forum that isn't "opinion only"?

"Opinion" ... the latest addition to the list for "last refuge of a scoundrel"??  Certainly ... in my opinion ... quite a reasonable deflection method to stifle debate not going your way and which you are bereft of answers to take the thread entirely off topic.

In my opinion a clear illustration that the people who are prepared to see further than their dislike of the Drs McCann are coming out on top of the 'argument'.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....