Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[ferryman]

It is opinion based on the fact of the published remit. If, as their remit states, they were tasked with investigating 'the abduction as if it occurred in the UK', they would not interview the McCanns because they are unlikely to have abducted their child themselves.

That needn't mean that they don't have information to furnish the investigation, though, perhaps relevant, perhaps not; but to be ascertained from the information they supply.

[stephen25000]

Of course The McCanns will have been interviewed.  Anyone who thinks they weren't is daft.

SY have declared the other interviews, but never the McCann's or associates.


Clearly the McCann's have changed their stories since the start.

Now any good policing.....

[Jean-Pierre]

SY have declared the other interviews, but never the McCann's or associates.


Clearly the McCann's have changed their stories since the start.

Now any good policing.....

Have the McCanns actually "changed their stories" in any significant way?   In which case, how (in brief) do you think they have changed?

Or is this a case of media reports?

[ShiningInLuz]

This is silly.  Short of a massive conspiracy involving hundreds of complete strangers, of course The McCanns have been investigated and ruled out.

I beg to differ, ma'am.

All it takes is someone saying 'funding will be provided, as long as the remit is restricted to abduction.'  I have no evidence to support that, hence I am not claiming it went that way.

For those purport the view that the McCanns have been investigated and ruled out, can we have some evidence thereof?  By that I mean 'investigated', which is the contentious part.

[G-Unit]

Have the McCanns actually "changed their stories" in any significant way?   In which case, how (in brief) do you think they have changed?

Or is this a case of media reports?

Again, just on example. It is clear in the statements that Kate and Gerry both said the window, shutters and curtains were found open. In subsequent interviews Kate describes how the closed curtains blew into the room and that is how she noticed the open window. I suspect that's a significant change with a reason, not just a case of forgetting.

[G-Unit]

In your opinion
The remit may well have been arrived at after the McCanns had been interviewed and ruled out
The McCanns would surely be interviewed in any case as they are important witnessed

My post was based on a fact; the remit. Which facts is your post based on? ('being interviewed' is not the same as 'being ruled out', by the way)

[Jean-Pierre]

I beg to differ, ma'am.

All it takes is someone saying 'funding will be provided, as long as the remit is restricted to abduction.'  I have no evidence to support that, hence I am not claiming it went that way.

For those purport the view that the McCanns have been investigated and ruled out, can we have some evidence thereof?  By that I mean 'investigated', which is the contentious part.

If I may...?

There are three main possibilities

Woke and wandered
Parents dun it (whatever "it" is)
Abducted.

The initial investigation, conducted by Amaral, and then Rebelo and lasting the best part of 15 months, to a significant extent focussed on the McCanns. 

This was while the case was still in the relatively early stages.  And came up with absolutely nothing that implicated the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter. 

So yes, I would suggest that there is evidence that the theory that the "McCanns dun it" has been investigated and found wanting. 

And I also suggest that SY et al, having has the opportunity to review that evidence might want to adopt a different starting point - i.e. abduction.

[Eleanor]

I beg to differ, ma'am.

All it takes is someone saying 'funding will be provided, as long as the remit is restricted to abduction.'  I have no evidence to support that, hence I am not claiming it went that way.

For those purport the view that the McCanns have been investigated and ruled out, can we have some evidence thereof?  By that I mean 'investigated', which is the contentious part.

You have no evidence?  But some of us do have a bit of common sense.

PS. No need to call me Ma'am.  But I do appreciate the thought.

[ShiningInLuz]

Of course there isn't.

Luckily, there is a lot of stuff on here that isn't opinion.

It is not my opinion about when the GNR was first called.  The Telegraph makes is 10.14.  The records show otherwise.

It is not my opinion where Smithman was heading.  The Telegraph makes it to the beach or to the sea.  The statements have been referred to which show this does not correspond to what is on file.

It is on file that 74,104 calls/texts came into/out of the 3 transmitters in Luz in the period 2 May - 4 May 2007.  Media seems to have been of the opinion that a) every phone call in the entire region had been captured over a much longer period, and b) that with triangulation, the perpetrator was surely about to be nabbed.  Mind you, that was about 8 years ago.

We have facts.  With a large dollop of opinion.  Sometimes the opinion is sitting on top of the facts.  Sometimes the opinion is presented without or even despite the facts.

[Carana]

Again, just on example. It is clear in the statements that Kate and Gerry both said the window, shutters and curtains were found open. In subsequent interviews Kate describes how the closed curtains blew into the room and that is how she noticed the open window. I suspect that's a significant change with a reason, not just a case of forgetting.

Again. What is "whoosh" in Portuguese?

Curtains can be "open" because they were drawn aside, or because they were blown forwards into the room, or both.

[Alice Purjorick]

If I may...?

There are three main possibilities

Woke and wandered
Parents dun it (whatever "it" is)
Abducted.

The initial investigation, conducted by Amaral, and then Rebelo and lasting the best part of 15 months, to a significant extent focussed on the McCanns. 

This was while the case was still in the relatively early stages.  And came up with absolutely nothing that implicated the McCanns in the disappearance of their daughter. 

So yes, I would suggest that there is evidence that the theory that the "McCanns dun it" has been investigated and found wanting. 

And I also suggest that SY et al, having has the opportunity to review that evidence might want to adopt a different starting point - i.e. abduction.

You mean not start from the primary event?

[Eleanor]

Luckily, there is a lot of stuff on here that isn't opinion.

It is not my opinion about when the GNR was first called.  The Telegraph makes is 10.14.  The records show otherwise.

It is not my opinion where Smithman was heading.  The Telegraph makes it to the beach or to the sea.  The statements have been referred to which show this does not correspond to what is on file.

It is on file that 74,104 calls/texts came into/out of the 3 transmitters in Luz in the period 2 May - 4 May 2007.  Media seems to have been of the opinion that a) every phone call in the entire region had been captured over a much longer period, and b) that with triangulation, the perpetrator was surely about to be nabbed.  Mind you, that was about 8 years ago.

We have facts.  With a large dollop of opinion.  Sometimes the opinion is sitting on top of the facts.  Sometimes the opinion is presented without or even despite the facts.

Well that doesn't make much sense, does it.

[G-Unit]

Again. What is "whoosh" in Portuguese?

Curtains can be "open" because they were drawn aside, or because they were blown forwards into the room, or both.

You are asking me to provide you with a translation? May I suggest you look it up yourself? In my house curtains are opened in the morning and closed at night. I do it every day and it means what it says. Either can blow into the room, but it doesn't change their status, they are still either open or closed.

Kate said;
She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Gerry said;
the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the blinds were raised and the curtains were drawn open.

[Eleanor]

You are asking me to provide you with a translation? May I suggest you look it up yourself? In my house curtains are opened in the morning and closed at night. I do it every day and it means what it says. Either can blow into the room, but it doesn't change their status, they are still either open or closed.

Kate said;
She noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.

Gerry said;
the door to the children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the blinds were raised and the curtains were drawn open.

There were two sets of curtains.  Which ones are you referring to?

[Alfred R Jones]

We had a full thread on evidence of abduction. None was produced.

you seem to have misunderstood my question.  Here it is again:

what sort of evidence of abduction would you accept, save a sworn affadavit from the abductor saying he dunnit (and even then would you accept that I wonder,,,?)