Why don't people believe the Mccanns story of Abduction ?

[Eleanor]

Do you know, I know exactly what Holmes can do, and I really want to help, but I am totally incapable of explaining it.

[Alice Purjorick]

I don't speculate as you do...I agree with alfred...if it was a bad as you suspect it would not be used....but of course on this forum'''SY are rubbish..Redwood is rubbish...the UK is rubbish...the UK govt is corrupt and rubbish...but total respect for amaral

I never said it was bad. I said it probably does what the users require which is not necessarily what Alfred thinks it is. By 'is own admission 'e don't know much more than 'e can cut paste.
The time line it could be hand balled in about a couple of hours without a computer.
Nice rant at the end though.

[Mr Gray]

I never said it was bad. I said it probably does what the users require which is not necessarily what Alfred thinks it is. By 'is own admission 'e don't know much more than 'e can cut paste.
The time line it could be hand balled in about a couple of hours without a computer.
Nice rant at the end though.

The case hinges on whether the McCanns are telling the truth and I would have expected SY to have decided on this at the start

[Alfred R Jones]

I don't speculate as you do...I agree with alfred...if it was a bad as you suspect it would not be used....but of course on this forum'''SY are rubbish..Redwood is rubbish...the UK is rubbish...the UK govt is corrupt and rubbish...but total respect for amaral

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[Alfred R Jones]

In the main, it does the paperwork associated with a large investigation.  It files, xrefs, and does donkey work required for a legal case.

I happen to use Open Office for the first two.  I don't need to do the donkey work required for a legal case, thankfully.

HOLMES appears to be very dated, circa 2000.  My software is circa 2016.  I doubt very much that any officer is relying on HOLMES to clarify the timeline of 3 May 2007.  If they are, they should try using the supercomputer between their ears.

"Officers are using the Home Office Large Major Enquiry System for computer logging of all relevant information and have tailored it to help create what is described as a “computer reconstruction” of the key events of the night of May 3.
It is hoped that eventually there will be an almost minute by minute account, which will assist officers."  of course, this was in the Express newspaper so obviously bollcks.

[Alfred R Jones]

More complete bollocks from Journal De Noticias:

Virtual reconstruction tests witnesses' version Jornal de Notícias (page 3 Online paid edition)

The software of the English will be used to supply further clues to the investigation

By Nuno Miguel Maia and Óscar Queirós
10 March 2012
With thanks to Joana Morais/Astro for translation

Scotland Yard possesses software designed to reconstruct, in a virtual way, the facts that have been reported by the various witnesses who have intervened in the process of Maddie's disappearance.

The existence of this tool may be important to find new leads, in order to solve the case. The versions of those involved may be cross referenced, and after the data is processed by the software, one can understand what adds up – and what does not.

In this software, one can insert photos and the description of the apartment, including Maddie's bedroom, drawings or photos of the entries, routes to the restaurant – and a description thereof – where the parents and friends were dining, their table and the localization and position of each person.

The software will also receive the statements that everyone has made and will be making (the English will hear the McCann couple's friends again), as these people may recall facts, as small as they may be, and even add objects that may give their descriptions more veracity.

From there on, the investigators may reach more precise conclusions, which, very often, belies the testimonies that have been described in their statements.

[Alfred R Jones]

Yet more bollocks from Tv Mais

The only known virtual reconstruction was made by the professors Paulo Sargento (Criminal psychology) and by Pedro Gamito (IT department) of the Lusófona University, using as its basis the statements of the McCanns and their friends. By means of specific software, the statements given to the PJ were evaluated and cross-checked. Thus, one can now understand better the possibilities of each one of them being at a certain place and time, as stated by them.

This work by the Portuguese scientists was ignored, but now Scotland Yard has revealed that they will also use a software program to reconstruct those events. In English, that might be more enlightening.

[G-Unit]

HOLMES is a searchable database. The information is entered by police officers who get the information from different sources, including statements. If all the T9 said the alarm was raised at 10pm, the database, when searched, will also say 10pm unless other statements by other witnesses have been entered which say 9pm. Living breathing police officers then have a decision to make about who is right and who is wrong.

You can download an overview here if you're interested enough;
http://www.holmes2.com/holmes2/sampleinv/

[ShiningInLuz]

"Officers are using the Home Office Large Major Enquiry System for computer logging of all relevant information and have tailored it to help create what is described as a “computer reconstruction” of the key events of the night of May 3.
It is hoped that eventually there will be an almost minute by minute account, which will assist officers."  of course, this was in the Express newspaper so obviously bollcks.

It would help if you gave the links to the articles you are picking from.

Until then it is akin to the newspaper fit to wrap my fish supper tomorrow, but no more.

I presume you are not using HOLMES to store your information, given it is a tool intended for UK police and emergency services.  Therefor you must be using something else.

In this instance, I have a limited interest is what the media speculated.  I have heard that triangulation would solve the case, in a media report from some 8 years ago.  That DNA would crack the case, which it clearly has not.  Will HOLMES crack the case?

I think not.

[Alfred R Jones]

It would help if you gave the links to the articles you are picking from.

Until then it is akin to the newspaper fit to wrap my fish supper tomorrow, but no more.

I presume you are not using HOLMES to store your information, given it is a tool intended for UK police and emergency services.  Therefor you must be using something else.

In this instance, I have a limited interest is what the media speculated.  I have heard that triangulation would solve the case, in a media report from some 8 years ago.  That DNA would crack the case, which it clearly has not.  Will HOLMES crack the case?

I think not.

I use Google not HOLMES, I'm sure you've heard of it and used it too. I've never claimed that Holmes will crack this case, though it has been credited with helping to solve others.  Still, I bow to yours and others superior knowledge of the syystem, as you are all clearly far better informed than myself or the media on this matter.  It's such a privilege to be posting alongside such very learned folk as yourself, and for that I am so grateful, many thanks.

[Alfred R Jones]

HOLMES is a searchable database. The information is entered by police officers who get the information from different sources, including statements. If all the T9 said the alarm was raised at 10pm, the database, when searched, will also say 10pm unless other statements by other witnesses have been entered which say 9pm. Living breathing police officers then have a decision to make about who is right and who is wrong.

You can download an overview here if you're interested enough;
http://www.holmes2.com/holmes2/sampleinv/

so when the Met said it had "forensically examined" the timeline you think they basically just held up the scrap of paper written by McCanns' mates and said "this will do" do you?

[jassi]

"forensically examined" sounds so much more professional, don't you think?

[ferryman]

"forensically examined" sounds so much more professional, don't you think?

Perhaps when Enid O'Dowd says it ....

[Alice Purjorick]

so when the Met said it had "forensically examined" the timeline you think they basically just held up the scrap of paper written by McCanns' mates and said "this will do" do you?

To be honest mate a time line is a function of time space and distance. With the simplicity of this time line it could be handballed by any reasonably competent technician in a couple of hours. The timeline exists irrespective of innocence or guilt of any party.

[Carana]

I don't see the issue. HOLMES2 is database / project management tool, which may well have 3rd-party add-on features not mentioned in the blurb. It may also be used to extract information for use by other types of specialised software.

3D crime scene / reconstruction software exists, so I don't see the big deal about establishing a forensic timeline.