Wandering Off Topic

[Vertigo Swirl]

Western State funded media again VS. There are plenty of independent sources out there. You don't need to just blindly rely on US intelligence. They tend to have a certain bias.

Rather than dismissing the video I posted as propaganda I suggest you watch it and refute anything you believe os wrong or inaccurate.  I found the discussion very even handed.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Watch a few John Mearsheimer videos on Youtube VS. He doesn't work for the CIA, unlike every Western media outlet.

That?s just crazy talk.

[Wonderfulspam]

Do I support Russia? Not really. But, I do understand that Russia didn't launch an 'unprovoked full scale invasion' as the western media likes to frame it. Even chatgpt acknowledges that the US sponsored the 2014 coup in Ukraine. Ask it yourself VS.. Ask chat 'Was the 2014 revolution in Ukraine a US backed coup?'. You'll be surprised by the result. It is slightly more nuanced than Putin simply turning into Hitler in early 2022 & deciding to launch an unprovoked full scale invasion with intent to occupy all of Ukraine. But if you read the BBC, Guardian or any other Western outlet, that is how they frame it.

[Wonderfulspam]

Rather than dismissing the video I posted as propaganda I suggest you watch it and refute anything you believe os wrong or inaccurate.  I found the discussion very even handed.

I watched it. It presents no actual evidence Russia intends to attack NATO. It's a claim made by US intelligence agencies & nothing more.

[Wonderfulspam]

That?s just crazy talk.

Try him out. He's a very credible expert on Geopolitics & predicted the Ukraine war.

[Wonderfulspam]

Russia is losing in Ukraine, if you believe Western outlets. It would be suicidal to open another front, unless first attacked. But America has weapons deals to make & needs customers in Europe so they must sell the idea that Russia plans to attack NATO.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I watched it. It presents no actual evidence Russia intends to attack NATO. It's a claim made by US intelligence agencies & nothing more.

You certainly hadn?t watched it when you dismissed it as Western propaganda 3 minutes after I posted the link.  What evidence would you like to see proving Russia?s intention to attack NATO?  Written documents with Putin?s signature on them to that effect? 

[Wonderfulspam]

You certainly hadn?t watched it when you dismissed it as Western propaganda 3 minutes after I posted the link.  What evidence would you like to see proving Russia?s intention to attack NATO?  Written documents with Putin?s signature on them to that effect?

I tend to listen to things at over 2x speed, but you're right, I did dismiss it as state sponsored propaganda. Because it is. What evidence is there that Russia intends to attack NATO, other than unspecified claims made by US intel?

[Wonderfulspam]

........The US that wants to sell lots & lots of weapons to European states.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Russia is losing in Ukraine, if you believe Western outlets. It would be suicidal to open another front, unless first attacked. But America has weapons deals to make & needs customers in Europe so they must sell the idea that Russia plans to attack NATO.

Russia is being backed into a corner and cornered animals tend to lash out.  Is Putin going to accept defeat lying down?  No.  America under Trump is turning its back on Europe and NATO and is more likely to throw their hat in with Putin the way things are going.
Frankly I?m bored of this discussion now, it?s exhausting, boring and pointless.  Let?s reconvene after Russia mounts an attack on a NATO country and we?ll pick up the discussion then. Feel free to claim victory, I know it?s important for ypu to be seen as the top dog and alpha male, a trait you share with Trump and Putin.