Wandering Off Topic

[Eleanor]

I believe that Madeleine was abducted for monetary gain and that she is no longer with the people who stole her.  I believe that Operation Grange know this, and probably know who she is with and more or less where where she is.  But probably in a country with no extradition, and certainly without poof of DNA, which would be almost impossible to come by.

[Eleanor]

 Sorry about that, Erngath, but it was a reply to a deleted post.

[John]

I believe that Madeleine was abducted for monetary gain and that she is no longer with the people who stole her.  I believe that Operation Grange know this, and probably know who she is with and more or less where where she is.  But probably in a country with no extradition, and certainly without poof of DNA, which would be almost impossible to come by.

I disagree Eleanor, the sad fact is that Operation Grange has not managed to progress this investigation at all despite the substantial resources afforded to it.  Madeleine being abducted, sold on and living a new life is pure fantasy imo.  Like Ben Needham, Madeleine's fate will probably eventually be revealed as nothing more than an unfortunate accident.

[Eleanor]

I disagree Eleanor, the sad fact is that Operation Grange has not managed to progress this investigation at all despite the substantial resources afforded to it.  Madeleine being abducted, sold on and living a new life is pure fantasy imo.  Like Ben Needham, Madeleine's fate will probably eventually be revealed as nothing more than an unfortunate accident.

Ah, well,  I thought that we are all entitled to our opinion.  And that we should not express opinion as fact, which you have just done.

You do not know what Operation Grange has managed to progress.

And much as I love you half to bits, don't try to do to me anything that I would never try to do to you.

If nothing else then I can spot a bullshitter at around ten miles.

[misty]

I disagree Eleanor, the sad fact is that Operation Grange has not managed to progress this investigation at all despite the substantial resources afforded to it.  Madeleine being abducted, sold on and living a new life is pure fantasy imo.  Like Ben Needham, Madeleine's fate will probably eventually be revealed as nothing more than an unfortunate accident.

Many of the cases of young children who died after wandering. unnoticed, from their residence involved water.
http://www.kctv5.com/story/25967440/boy-with-autism-wanders-away-from-home
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3563935/Two-year-old-boy-dead-pond-wandering-away-Florida-home.html
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/4-Year-old-Boy-Who-Wandered-Away-From-Home-Dies-251599941.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2014/mar/21/local/la-me-ln-missing-boy-dead-pool-20140321
http://cw33.com/2017/03/16/missing-2-year-old-found-dead-in-pond/


Why do you think Madeleine was not located following an unfortunate accident?

[Brietta]

I disagree Eleanor, the sad fact is that Operation Grange has not managed to progress this investigation at all despite the substantial resources afforded to it.  Madeleine being abducted, sold on and living a new life is pure fantasy imo.  Like Ben Needham, Madeleine's fate will probably eventually be revealed as nothing more than an unfortunate accident.

Investigations come to a conclusion one way or another.  It looks convincing that the police theory about Ben Needham's death was spot on; a situation which his family have accepted and which hopefully let them get on with their lives despite having no body to bury.

Corrie Mckeague's family are less content.  The search for his body has been called off although the excavation will not be infilled until after a police review and I think some incinerated waste is to be sifted.  Intriguing that a pre-nineteen forties skull was found ... wonder if that was the result of foul play and if the police will try to identify who it was?

In both these cases everything has been done that could be and they both reached a conclusion of sorts.  The police seem convinced Corrie was conveyed to the landfill site but just can't be found.

On the other hand, I don't think Scotland Yard are ready to call quits on Madeleine McCann just yet.  I'm hoping that is more than they are just tying up the loose ends ready for the next cold case review in future years ... I'm hoping there is a firm goal in mind.
I don't think there is anything accidental as far as Madeleine is concerned ... I think she vanished as a result of intervention ... and I think that is what SY is working on.

[barrier]

I believe that Madeleine was abducted for monetary gain and that she is no longer with the people who stole her.  I believe that Operation Grange know this, and probably know who she is with and more or less where where she is.  But probably in a country with no extradition, and certainly without poof of DNA, which would be almost impossible to come by.

When do you believe OG came to this conclusion and what of OG and its funding? being used to monitor? if it can't proceed? what else is it for?
Then there are of course the digs in 2014.

[Brietta]

When do you believe OG came to this conclusion and what of OG and its funding? being used to monitor? if it can't proceed? what else is it for?
Then there are of course the digs in 2014.

What about the digs in 2014?  Do you have an opinion you wish to share on that or any of the other points you have raised.  I think the quality of debate could easily be enhanced if there was an attempt to participate rather than to hector.

[jassi]

The digs in 2014 appear to have produced nothing. What else is there to say ?

[Alice Purjorick]

The digs in 2014 appear to have produced nothing. What else is there to say ?

That The Met. are pursuing are one last substantial lead?

[jassi]

Since 2014 ?

[Brietta]

The digs in 2014 appear to have produced nothing. What else is there to say ?

It is only now that we are aware of the blood found in Kos which is to be tested for a match to Ben Needham.  Did you know a skull had been recovered during the police searches for Corrie McKeague which is not his?

I don't think it is usual for police to divulge all the information available to them while still involved in an active investigation;  which probably explains why the general public has no idea what may have been recovered from the digs carried out in Luz.
You can speculate if you like ... my speculation is that in Madeleine's case no news is good news as far as the digs are concerned.

[Brietta]

Since 2014 ?

Nope ... I don't think they operate along the lines of we internet snoopers of revisiting ground hog day.  They have either found what they were looking for in 2014 or it wasn't there to be found ... but, whatever they didn't stick there in 2014, they moved on. They do something ... evaluate their action ... then progress to the next.

I think there is still an active investigation being carried out on Madeleine's behalf and I firmly believe the process and where they are at with that is nobody's business but those who need to know.

[sadie]

The digs in 2014 appear to have produced nothing. What else is there to say ?

* IF * they produced nothing, at least they ruled certain speculation out.

We dont know that they produced nothing, but if so, they at least, have moved on - unlike Amaral who got stuck in a rut because he either didn't understand that the dogs alerts meant nothing .... or he didn't want to acknowledge that they meant (nothing) because he was so set on his own ideas

[sadie]

It is only now that we are aware of the blood found in Kos which is to be tested for a match to Ben Needham.  Did you know a skull had been recovered during the police searches for Corrie McKeague which is not his?

I don't think it is usual for police to divulge all the information available to them while still involved in an active investigation;  which probably explains why the general public has no idea what may have been recovered from the digs carried out in Luz.
You can speculate if you like ... my speculation is that in Madeleine's case no news is good news as far as the digs are concerned.

God forbid that they should divulge information to do with the ongoing case.

Much as we would like to know, divulging that would be fatal to the investigation